Muslims And Jerusalem

[Khandro]

As there is absolutely no mention of Jerusalem in the Koran, why do Muslims, despite a Jewish presence there for 3,000 years, think they have any claim whatsoever to it?
Only recently are books appearing attempting to create a connection by deceit and fabrication;
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2012/02/muslim-scholar-explains-why-jerusalem.html

[Khandro]

Jeremy Corbyn and his anti-Semitic Fascist commissars tell it as they see it;
https://order-order.com/2017/12/12/corbyn-launches-labour-muslim-group-headed-israel-no-right-exist-activist/

[naomi24]

Khandro, little of what you've said since posting the question relates to it so I've no idea where you're going with this. I'll leave you to it.

[keyplus90]

Muslims also have claim on the Prophets Jews and Christians believe in as they are the ones following their teachings more than the Jews and Christians. Even those Prophets never called themselves Jew or Christian as these were either name of a Tribe or a name given centuries after those Prophets had gone past. So first of all let Jews and Christians act and worship the way those Prophets (pbu) did and then the rest of the issues would be decided.

[Khandro]

Now 'Sultan' Erdogan puts in his two-penn'th ;
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42335751
Can someone please tell me what is meant by "the peace process"?

[naomi24]

Keyplus, //Muslims also have claim on the Prophets Jews and Christians believe in as they are the ones following their teachings more than the Jews and Christians.//

That's not the reason, is it now. The reason Muslims think they have a claim to Jewish prophets is because Islam high-jacked the Jewish prophets and claimed them for its own. Islam didn't come into being until long after the Jewish prophets were dead - and that includes Islam's other famously revered prophet, Jesus.

Khandro, I don’t think a definitive ‘Peace Process’ exists. Various people have an occasional chat … but that seems to be about it.

[Khandro]

naomi; The term is an illusion, there is no 'process' nor will there ever be 'peace'. The Jews may be up for it, (on certain conditions) but Muslims never, because they are dedicated to the total annihilation of all the Jews in the world, which at 14 million worldwide, is not much more than the population of Cairo alone.
If Israel were not to exist anymore, it would make no difference, the quest for destruction of Jewry would simply move on.
It's in the Koran you see?

[naomi24]

Khandro, have you read the Koran?

[Khandro]

“Judgment Day will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Jews will hide behind the rocks and the trees, but the rocks and the trees will say: Oh Muslim , oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him – except for the gharqad tree, which is one of the trees of the Jews.”

[naomi24]

Have you read the Koran?

[keyplus90]

One only needs to read basic books of history to find out that Jews had much more better life during and under Islamic empire and have never been favored by Christians until the birth of Israel in last century.

Having said that Israel has no immediate threat from Muslim countries as according to the prophecies Greater Israel will become reality where present day Syria, Jordan, Iraq and parts or Saudi Arabia would also be the part of it. Majority of the Muslims of those countries would be slaughtered by the Jews. Then after that story is a very long one and then would come the time Khandro is talking about rocks and trees etc.

[vetuste_ennemi]

From the hadith I think, Khandro.

Anybody with even a rudimentary knowledge of Mohammed's life will know what happened to the three Jewish tribes who welcomed Mohammed into Medina and what Mohammed did to the Jews of nearby Khaybar. All the divinely sanctioned features of Islam to be seen: killing for Allah, enslaving the enemies of Allah, raping the wives and daughters of the unbelievers.

Demo outside the Israeli embassy this week: "Jews, remember Khaybar!". I saw (and heard) a video clip of it. The Muslim protestors knew about Khaybar even if their Leftist allies didn't.

[naomi24]

v-e. //unbelievers//

Ah, that’s more like it. And there was Khandro only a short time ago disparaging me in defence of a proponent of Islam.

[Khandro]

naomi; The difference between me and thee is, I have no wish to personalise matters. Objectively speaking though, there is the "dirty little secret";

[vetuste_ennemi]

It was you who brought Abdel-Samad to my notice, Khandro.

If you haven't watched this reasoned, articulate and decent Egyptian apostate (living in Germany, but "enjoying" 24 hour police protection because of threats from Pegida/AfD/or some other "far-right" group) on YouTube, or read his book Islamo-Fascism you should, Naomi.

[naomi24]

Khandro, //The difference between me and thee is, I have no wish to personalise matters.//

How very noble, but curiously you had no hesitation in personalising your comments towards me, refusing to consider links I provided and in effect accusing me of deceit. I’m guessing that had the conversation revolved around the Jews it may have been different - I don’t know – but what I do know is that the Jews aren’t the only people Islam has its sights set on.

v_e, I suffer no delusions.

[Khandro]

naomi; A bit grumpy this morning?

[naomi24]

Are you, Khandro? Never mind. As the day wears on you might cheer up. Fingers crossed.

[Khandro]

n. :0)
v_e That cohort don't issue fatwas, they come from, you know where.

On the subject though, my researches have come up with this (little known?) fact;

Fatwa on ISIS membership.
On March 11, 2015, Syed Soharwardy, the founder of the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada, and 37 other Muslim leaders of various Islamic sects from across Canada gathered in Calgary and issued a fatwa condemning followers of the Islamic State (ISIS) as non-Muslims. Soharwardy cited capturing opponents and beheading them, killing Muslims who disagree with ISIS's actions, destroying mosques, burning enemy soldiers alive and encouraging Muslim girls to join ISIS, among others, as acts by ISIS that violate Islamic law. Under this fatwa, anybody who even wishes to join the group will be "excommunicated from the Muslim community" and no longer considered Muslim.

[keyplus90]

I think Vetustee needs to read about context and history about 3 Jewish tribes He/she is talking about. I would not say anything more than that.

As for ISIS one just needs to see which are the countries being destroyed by these so called "Muslims" and majority of the people the have killed and it would not be difficult to understand who these people are and what is their agenda.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, before you go down your regular route, ISIS is not the CIA.