Muslims And Jerusalem

[Khandro]

As there is absolutely no mention of Jerusalem in the Koran, why do Muslims, despite a Jewish presence there for 3,000 years, think they have any claim whatsoever to it?
Only recently are books appearing attempting to create a connection by deceit and fabrication;
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2012/02/muslim-scholar-explains-why-jerusalem.html

[keyplus90]

Naomi, when a crime is committed then investigators see that who benefited from it. Same formula applies here and by the way, no intelligence agency works and does naughty things under their own name. And it's a common sense. Or do you want to see the video clip again where even Putin, President of a big country is saying the Americans create one group and then they create another one to get rid of the first group and so on.........

[naomi24]

Yes, I know. 9/11 and every atrocity committed in the name of Islam before and since is the work of outside agencies... and yet you, personally, embrace the concept of world domination by Islam. Tell me you don't.

[keyplus90]

Yes I do, otherwise why would I be following a religion. However Islam I know is different from Islam you believe you know and as it is portrayed in the media. Islam I know teaches me that I should not have a full tummy when my neighbour sleeps hungry, Islam I know teaches me that I should not be overly affectionate to my Children if there is any orphan nearby just in case he feels absence of his/her father, Islam I know also teaches me that I should not show too much love to my wife either if there is someone nearby who is Widow. These are just a couple of examples about Islam I know and the one I believe will be all over the world before the end of the world. However Islam you know is the same known by the people who need Islam for dummies books before they go to kill innocent people in the name of same Islam. Perhaps you need to buy one copy of such book too before it is sold out. By the way also buy and read “confessions of an Economic Hit Man” by John Perkins. Perhaps also add another name in your list Gary Stephen Webb and see what he said about CIA and then what happened to him. Or Just shut your eyes and go back to sleep as that might suit you better.

Khandro , Here is some stuff about Hadis you quoted earlier,

https://yaqeeninstitute.org/en/nazir-khan/the-myth-of-an-antisemitic-genocide-in-muslim-scripture/

[Khandro]

I think the problem isn't actually about religion at all, it is (as Karen Armstrong points out over and over again throughout history) a question of territory, continually fuelled by Hezbollah, whose crazy objective is the removal of the entire state of Israel, and many intellectuals throughout the Arab world are increasingly unsupportive of their aims.
I have a son who travels a lot in the Middle East and he tells me that there is little support for their cause, in fact he goes further to say that Palestinians as a whole are rather looked down on.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11550/jerusalem-israel-masks-fall

[naomi24]

Kayplus, //Yes I do//

Enough said.

Khandro, the Palestine/Israel situation is fundamentally about territory, but it goes much deeper than that. Karen Armstrong is a good researcher but as an ex-Roman Catholic nun, she’s an apologist. You really shouldn’t take everything she says as ‘gospel’.

[naomi24]

*Keyplus* not Kayplus.

[Khandro]

naomi; But then, as v_e said to you (I think yesterday), you haven't read her, 'Fields of Blood, Religion and the History of Violence', which he is presently reading, well worth it;

"Riveting" Observer. "Dazzling" Washington Post,

[Gromit]

Wow, a question built around a lie is still creaking on. Well done.

[naomi24]

Khandro, I don't recall v_e saying that to me, and I don't know if I've read the book you mention - I've read quite a few of hers - but I'll check and if I haven't, I will.... but it won't make any difference to the fact that she's an apologist.

[Gromit]

And the Gatestone Institute is a known purveyor of fake news.

[naomi24]

Khandro, I can't see it on my shelves, so I've downloaded it on my kindle. I'll get back to you - but I could be some time.

[Khandro]

gromit; //And the Gatestone Institute is a known purveyor of fake news.//

Examples please.

[Togo]

Gatestone Institute do not write any of the articles or employ the contributors. They publish them only. Uncomfortable reading for "some" maybe, but essential reading if one is intent on weighing up certain events without the official spin that is spoon fed daily by the news "makers".
Another interesting take on recent events in Jerusalem.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/

[Theland]

The Palestinian people seem to have nobody to represent them. Just look at Mahmoud Abbas in the tenth year of his four year term as leader. Hamas no better. Nasrallah also in a job for life.