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A hard nosed atheist might deny the results of their own logic and agree with Dawkins, who shows himself up as a clown in his pursuit of his God hatred.
Can you deny that the God theory has more credence than that put forward by this world renowned atheist?
A hard nosed atheist might deny the results of their own logic and agree with Dawkins, who shows himself up as a clown in his pursuit of his God hatred.
Can you deny that the God theory has more credence than that put forward by this world renowned atheist?
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God's Grandeur
BY GERARD MANLEY HOPKINS
The world is charged with the grandeur of God.
It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;
It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?
Generations have trod, have trod, have trod;
And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;
And wears man's smudge and shares man's smell: the soil
Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.
And for all this, nature is never spent;
There lives the dearest freshness deep down things;
And though the last lights off the black West went
Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs —
Because the Holy Ghost over the bent
World broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.
BY GERARD MANLEY HOPKINS
The world is charged with the grandeur of God.
It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;
It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?
Generations have trod, have trod, have trod;
And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;
And wears man's smudge and shares man's smell: the soil
Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.
And for all this, nature is never spent;
There lives the dearest freshness deep down things;
And though the last lights off the black West went
Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs —
Because the Holy Ghost over the bent
World broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.
God, being far from an explanation for anything, extinguishes the desire for any further exploration of an explanation in posing as thee only and final explanation. Far from contributing anything to our understanding, appending the idea of a creator god, unrestricted by the constraints of reality, only obscures all attempts at understanding through an impenetrable layer of incomprehensibility. Invoking the existence of a god as an explanation for the universe or anything within it, an infinitely complex god no less, is simply adding an unsurmountable complication without a cause.
Mibs - Interesting thoughts.
However, using your logic, you must surely decide on some possibilities for the creation.
Dawkins would jump at any possible explanation for the cause of our universe, that did not entail acknowledgement of a thinking mind being involved, but the best he can come up with, is his multiverse theory, and he is seriously short of a reputable scientist to agree with him.
Before we even get to discussing the bible, I think based on evidence, a designer far outweighs a multiverse.
By the way, I love the commas.
However, using your logic, you must surely decide on some possibilities for the creation.
Dawkins would jump at any possible explanation for the cause of our universe, that did not entail acknowledgement of a thinking mind being involved, but the best he can come up with, is his multiverse theory, and he is seriously short of a reputable scientist to agree with him.
Before we even get to discussing the bible, I think based on evidence, a designer far outweighs a multiverse.
By the way, I love the commas.
Nailit - As much as you denigrate my views and beliefs, I think you love it when you see my posts, as it livens up the category, and not only entertains you, but gives you the opportunity to be superior and strut your stuff.
"Been there, done that, got the tee shirt," and enjoy the comeraderie of the lynch mob.
"Been there, done that, got the tee shirt," and enjoy the comeraderie of the lynch mob.
I find it a bit strange that the atheists who claim to be so full of biblical knowledge, can only knit pick the bible on such shallow ground, without ever understanding the whole of Gods' plan as it is presented, then many of the criticisms would be self explanatory.
The end result is usually mockery and then abuse.
So much for atheist bible scholars.
The end result is usually mockery and then abuse.
So much for atheist bible scholars.
//I think based on evidence, a designer far outweighs a multiverse.//
Nature feels no compulsion to fashion herself based on ones preferred view of how she unfolds her wonders. She leaves it to us to discover and reveal the means and process in her apparent design.
Failure to comprehend a multiverse (apart from which its existence should remain in question) is never sufficient reason to presuppose the existence of something no less incomprehensible.
Nature feels no compulsion to fashion herself based on ones preferred view of how she unfolds her wonders. She leaves it to us to discover and reveal the means and process in her apparent design.
Failure to comprehend a multiverse (apart from which its existence should remain in question) is never sufficient reason to presuppose the existence of something no less incomprehensible.
Theland, //I find it a bit strange that the atheists who claim to be so full of biblical knowledge, can only knit pick the bible on such shallow ground, //
You mean ignore the bits that don’t fit.
//without ever understanding the whole of Gods' plan as it is presented, then many of the criticisms would be self explanatory.//
It’s not working for me. Explain please.
You mean ignore the bits that don’t fit.
//without ever understanding the whole of Gods' plan as it is presented, then many of the criticisms would be self explanatory.//
It’s not working for me. Explain please.
I watched the video. The existence of a "fine tuner" is not supported at all.
The claim that 10^120 possible universes in a multiverse is implausible is based solely on it being a very large number. There is absolutely no reason given why there could not be even more universes. Still a long way to infinity no matter how large a number.
Big numbers are relative to our experience. There was a time when few scientists could accept that there are hundreds of billions of stars in The Milky Way or that there are hundreds of billions of galaxies in the Universe. Those who first proposed that the blury patches of light seen in telescopes were distant galaxies were ridiculed.
Just because an old man like Weinberg does not like multiverse theory does not mean it is wrong. Despite his brilliance, Einstein was wrong about Uncertainty. Extreme physics become accepted by new generations of scientists as the old ones die. It was the same with QM and Relativity when they were postulated.
Religion argued that Copernicus and Galileo were wrong about heliocentricity, claiming that it was implausible and in direct conflict with the scriptures. Science prevailed, scriptures failed.
Scriptures have been proven wrong over and over again. Only a fool would continue to claim otherwise.
The claim that 10^120 possible universes in a multiverse is implausible is based solely on it being a very large number. There is absolutely no reason given why there could not be even more universes. Still a long way to infinity no matter how large a number.
Big numbers are relative to our experience. There was a time when few scientists could accept that there are hundreds of billions of stars in The Milky Way or that there are hundreds of billions of galaxies in the Universe. Those who first proposed that the blury patches of light seen in telescopes were distant galaxies were ridiculed.
Just because an old man like Weinberg does not like multiverse theory does not mean it is wrong. Despite his brilliance, Einstein was wrong about Uncertainty. Extreme physics become accepted by new generations of scientists as the old ones die. It was the same with QM and Relativity when they were postulated.
Religion argued that Copernicus and Galileo were wrong about heliocentricity, claiming that it was implausible and in direct conflict with the scriptures. Science prevailed, scriptures failed.
Scriptures have been proven wrong over and over again. Only a fool would continue to claim otherwise.
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