God Is Or Is Not.

[Theland]

If God IS, then all of our big questions about origins, are answered.
If God IS NOT, then the alternative is purely materialistic.
What do you say?
Obviously there are atheists who believe the latter. So please guide me to the evidence for a purely materialistic origin, beginning of life, and evolution.
Please feel free to guide me towards any YouTube videos where atheistic experts can convince me that a purely materialistic scenario is the only option.
I am eager to understand the atheist mindset.

[Theland]

"I want to believe regardless." Yes I do. Weighed on the scales with materialism on one side, God outweighs it by a long shot.
The trouble is, the materialists can only ever attack God without suggesting any other solution to the big questions.
"I don't know," may be good enough for you but not for me.

[naomi24]

But you don't 'know', Theland - and neither does anyone else.

Acknowledging your god's failings isn't 'attacking' him - it's evaluating the available evidence honestly - which is something you consistently refuse to do.

[Theland]

If there is a good reason for what God apparently does, how can we mere created humans, judge Him?

[naomi24]

I can judge him - easily. I see no good reason for what he allegedly does. He, allegedly, created good - and he, allegedly, created evil. An omnipotent god could presumably put an end to human suffering in the blink of any eye but he doesn't. What's that all about, Theland?

[Theland]

Oh dear Naomi. This involves a lengthy response and much detail. I do have time constraints.
In a nutshell, God created a perfect world. Man rebelled and Sin entered the world, and death.
The suffering and evil we see around us or suffer personally is all the result of Sin.
Jesus Christ came to save us from this.
Not a comprehensive answer but those are the main points.

[naomi24]

A pretty stupid plan then, Theland. God creates a perfect world, but gives man the option to rebel – which renders his perfect world imperfect from the off. This allegedly perfect god then acknowledges that he made a mistake - so not so perfect after all - and decides, with the exception of a few people - to wipe man from the face of the earth. Result - an imperfect world – so he moves on to Plan C. Arriving on earth in the guise of a human being, god sacrifices himself in order to save humanity from himself…. how crazy is that?….and still it doesn’t work. Let’s hope he doesn’t have a plan D. Planning is not his forte.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - if Christ died to save us, why are we not saved?

[Theland]

Off to the surgery, answer you later.

[Rockrose]

God does not exist imho

[Theland]

Rockrose - how was the flight?

[Theland]

IMHO God does exist and there is plentiful evidence to convince me.

[nailit]

//In a nutshell, God created a perfect world. Man rebelled and Sin entered the world, and death.
The suffering and evil we see around us or suffer personally is all the result of Sin.
Jesus Christ came to save us from this.//

This is what I was taught as a new, gullible, teenage Christian.
And its utter tosh. I questioned it towards the end of my Christian journey when I realised that the story had more holes in it than a swiss cheese.
So God created a perfect world and placed Adam and Eve in a perfect garden? Except that it wasn't perfect as God allowed a deceptive, talking reptile to roam the grounds (Satan? No one seems to know).
Adam and Eve knew nothing about good or evil (Gen 3:5) and Eve took the fruit from the reptile because she saw that it was desirable for gaining wisdom (Gen 3:6) and gave some to Adam.
Thereafter God came looking for them asking
''Where are you'' (As if an omniscient God wouldn't already know)
“Who told you that you were naked?'' (As if an omniscient God wouldn't already know)
“What is this you have done?'' (As if an omniscient God wouldn't already know)

So, in summing up, God's created beings did not know the difference between good and evil but God condemned them anyway for committing an evil act. Not only them but all of human kind to follow. And condemned them for wanting wisdom at that with no explanation as to why he placed a deceptive, evil being (serpent) in the 'perfect' garden in the first place
And God (been omniscient) knew all along that he was making a creation where the vast majority of his creation would suffer, not only in this life but the life to come.
But never mind, he would eventually sacrifice himself, to himself in order to appease himself for the hell that he made himself.



Yep, the Bible story makes perfect sense!

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // IMHO God does exist and there is plentiful evidence to convince me. //

And that's fine, but as your frequent posts on the subject confirm, you are unable to extend the courtesy of disbelief to anyone else, you simply post with this endlessly baffled tone, wondering why everyone is not a believer like you.

They are not - live with it.

[Theland]

Andy - I respect everybody on here regardless of their politics, religions or beliefs. I do not look down on anybody, in fact I am flattered that people are prepared to engage with me.
I am, however, always prepared to justify my belief in God, who answers all of the big questions for me.
But I am interested in the atheist view of how the universe came into existence, the beginning of life from inorganic materials, and the theory of evolution which I don't believe in.
I post in the hope of getting some answers rather than just people hurling abuse at God, the Bible and me for believing it.
Does that answer you satisfactorily?

[Theland]

Nailit - Now you are a gullible atheist.
Does atheism satisfy your curiosity regards origins, life and evolutions?

[nailit]

//But I am interested in the atheist view of how the universe came into existence, the beginning of life from inorganic materials, and the theory of evolution which I don't believe in//

Are you also interested in why people DON'T believe your bible?
As per my post above?

[nailit]

//Nailit - Now you are a gullible atheist.//
Thought you didn't do sarcasm?

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Andy - I respect everybody on here regardless of their politics, religions or beliefs. I do not look down on anybody, in fact I am flattered that people are prepared to engage with me.... //


// Nailit - Now you are a gullible atheist. //

You are what you have always been on here Theland, a hypocritical, thin-skinned, sarcastic, superior, know-it-all, condescending Christian.

It is people like you that give your faith a bad name.

[nailit]

Steady Andy,
You will be shortly condemned to hell for that ;-)

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // I post in the hope of getting some answers rather than just people hurling abuse at God, the Bible and me for believing it.
Does that answer you satisfactorily? //

No it does not.

You have had aswers by the dozen, but because they disagree with your view, you ignore them, condescend to their writers, or simply launch off onto another tangent.

And please spare me the "I appear to have offended people so I'll go ..." because that is false as well.