Origin Of Information.

[Theland]

I believe all information originates in a mind.
If you disagree with this, any examples?

[mibn2cweus]

//Oh come on Mibs don't you ever communicate an original thought? Where does that come from?//

Possibly from a logical derivation based on acquired, assimilated information but just as likely from . . . 'out of the blue'.

Imagination provides a wealth of potential information but that potential is only realised through the process of understanding if and how it correlates to reality. We are not born knowing how to distinguish illusion from reality. That requires correctly interpreting and incorporating lifetimes of accumulated knowledge and wisdom, not least of which includes a rudimentary understanding of how the mind works.

[1ozzy]

waiting

[1ozzy]

waiting

[1ozzy]

This time for sure

[1ozzy]

^^there's the elusive post from Mibn^^

;-/

[mibn2cweus]

Thanks 1ozzy . . . whenever this post shows up that is.

[1ozzy]

The current AB secret is don't post @ two answers (or less) before the end of the page.

Highly technical glitch the boffins either can't fix or don't care about ;-)

[1ozzy]

Or maybe 3 answers.

You're welcome Mibn, wish you didn't have a user name so difficult to remember and spell ;-/

[mibn2cweus]

On my computer I can hover under the username until the little hand appears then
right click, copy
right click, paste

[1ozzy]

I'm not that clever

[mibn2cweus]

I doubt that, although your computer might not be.

[Khandro]

mibs; //A mind deprived of any means of ever having acquired information of the external world in which it exists would be senseless . . . literally.//
I don't know if spiders have minds, but they have brains & how can they do this without ever having seen it done?

[mibn2cweus]

Although it appears a first glance to me to be an example of innate behavior that has evolved through millions of generations of trial and error, I should probably refer you to an ethologist for an answer to that question Khandro.

https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/course/ent425/library/tutorials/behavior/elements_of_behavior.html

[Khandro]

mibs; I've just read through it & I think the good Dr John Meyer is actually struggling to comprehend & interpret the facts (nothing wrong with that btw) & place them into his own view of the order of things.
He's clear on describing observed phenomena; the 'how', but a shaky on the 'why?', he's rather hide-bound by the full Darwinian agenda I think.

[Old_Geezer]

Those critters whose default brain state at birth didn't give the creature the basics of survival, aren't around any more. They died young. Those that do have such basics, in this case web spinning, inevitability can do so without needing to learn it (or as explained, they'd not be here).

[Khandro]

OG - With respect; a bit of a cop-out!

[mibn2cweus]

Khandro, You don't suppose the good Dr JM might just be creating 'information' . . . in his own mind?

[Khandro]

One for OG ?

[Old_Geezer]

The truth is a cop out ? That sounds like a cop out.

[THECORBYLOON]

AS OG alluded, there are creatures that act on instinct such new-born turtles that head for the sea.

Where did that knowledge come from?