Three Questions

[Khandro]

With Brexit out of the way (?!) can we now turn to more momentous issues? I refer to those posed by St Augustine in reference to Creation; Who made it? By what means? & Why?

[pixie374]

I don't need to give an alternative, theland. We already know that information doesn't come from a mind. If that was the case, even flowers wouldn't be able to reproduce.
It is up to you to explain anti-science theories
... not up to others, to prove otherwise, when they have not been proven in the first place.

[pixie374]

//, I believe other Believers are secure in their faith and don't come up with ludicrous scenarios to justify it.//

I don't. I think they don't post, because they can't justify it.

[Nical]

Thanks, Pixie - I really meant 'secure in their faith and don't feel any need or desire to justify it'. Faith in itself is enough for some. (Not me!)

Theland, your Biblical prophecies stuff has never held up, nor has your 'Scientists admit they don't know, so it must have been God who created the world, universe, whatever'.

[Theland]

Pixie - Flowers, like all biologicals, are programmed by their inherited DNA to reproduce. They do not produce the coding themselves.
You say, "We already know information . . . . . . etc," does not come from a mind.
You are so wrong.
Please consider it in more depth.
Please give me an alternative source of information that you believe in.

[pixie374]

Anyone with a genuine belief, would be willing to at least try to explain it. I still believe that those that don't, know they can't.

[Theland]

Nical - The Biblical prophecies do indeed hold up. You just haven't studied it I'm afraid.

[Nical]

Theland, your Biblical prophecies stuff doesn't stand up - I have read enough demolitions of your 'arguments' to know that! PS Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true.

[pixie374]

I have considered it... Information is everywhere all around us. It makes no sense though, until somebody can understand and interpret it. That is just science and nothing to do with religion...
I don't even see what difference it makes.

[pixie374]

The Prophecies don't hold up, theland, you have been shown it over and over again by others. And even agreed with me, that anyone can give one that could be I interpreted as correct. If you are reading the answers, it would be worth replying at the time x

[Theland]

I'll try. Very time consuming

[Theland]

Prophecies - I have been shown over and over etc etc.
Yes. By who?
By people who are willingly ignorant of the truth.
Look yourself what the Bible says will happen to the Jewish people.
Now look at their history.
They fit together perfectly, except to those who cannot bear to countenance the existence of God.
Show me where to prophecies regarding the Jewish people are wrong?

[pixie374]

Theland, it would be much less time-consuming answering a question properly just once, than being asked the same thing over and over again?
If there is no information without a mind... how do germs multiply... what happened before there were humans or animals on the earth? How did anything change?
I could have ten bookcases of information, but if I don't read them... what use is it?

[pixie374]

Theland....I have read the whole of the bible, and found no relevant answers. You cannot use the bible to prove itself.

[Nical]

Theland, these prophecies are obviously vitally important to you - but not to me. You have never accepted any rebuttals of them, despite many, many learned, well-explained posts on AB. You're simply repeating the same phrases again and again. I hope your belief (not knowledge) brings you comfort.

[pixie374]

//By people who are willingly ignorant of the truth.//

Can you prove how?

[naomi24]

Theland to Pixie, //people who are willingly ignorant of the truth.//

You, Theland, you are willingly ignorant of the truth. You’ve even suggested that the holocaust was part of your God’s plan to return the Jews to their historic homeland. How does that sit with his alleged mercy and compassion? Justify that.

//Please give me an alternative source of information that you believe in.//

Why do you think it essential to believe in anything? Life goes on very well without it.

//The Biblical prophecies do indeed hold up. You just haven't studied it I'm afraid.//

I have.

[Theland]

Pixie - Every living thing, including worms and germs, carry within them DNA which is the coding that the cells follow to reproduce.
The big question, is where did the original information come from?
Information can be inherited and passed on, but none of it is new information.

[Theland]

Naomi - What part of the prophecies regarding the Jewish people does not agree with Jewish history?

[Theland]

Naomi - The holocaust was mans evil to man. Another abuse of mans free will.
Mans history is moulded by collective free will and conflict, yet goodness came out of it by the formation of the State of Israel.

[naomi24]

//The holocaust was mans evil to man. Another abuse of mans free will. //

And according to you, God's tool in returning the Jews to Israel. Justify it.