Right Go On Then

[nailit]

to the religious....
So whats it all about?
Retribution, judgment, what?
End times (again) maybe?
A plague from God?
A precursor of the Anti-Christ?

Serious question, what the **** is this all about then?
Or is it simply an unprecedented virus that science will cure?

[naomi24]

Theland, //God, the Creator, and ultimate arbiter of morality, cannot go against His own nature //

Indeed. He killed people, including children, by the thousand.

Yes, Theland, I do know the history and rather more thoroughly than you I would suggest. Motes and eyes, Theland. You’re missing them. Read your bible.

And if you want to have a discussion for goodness sake stop playing the victim. Reading your posts is like groundhog day. You’ve complained at least three times on this page alone! Perhaps you’d prefer that the rest of us leave this section entirely to you?

[iluvmargie]

I did read your link naomi, but I want to know if fiveleaves really, really believes that this happens, i.e. all Christians floating up into the sky!! That would be a sight to behold, wouldn't it?

[naomi24]

I'm sure he does believe it, Margie. Rather him than me though. I'm not keen on heights. You can get killed doing things like that! ;o)

[pixie374]

Hi theland, I didn't say I was angry, maybe read others' posts too? I said it was sickening.
Just about everybody is "pro-life" but that isn't the same as anti-abortion. You seem to be claiming that without the bible, you might have had some empathy for people in a situation that you, yourself, will never be in. But your "christianity" means that instead of that, you feel it's right to be judgemental of others and worse, that you should have more say over my body, than I do myself. I find that mindset arrogant and scary. If those are the "morals" that your religion has taught you.... then frankly, I'm disgusted with it. Thankfully, I am not one of those who blames books, but individual choices, so i don't see other Christians differently now. But if I was one, I would be very embarrassed by your posts.

[iluvmargie]

Yes, as you slowly run out of oxygen (lol).

[andy-hughes]

Theland - while you are busy licking your 'wounds' from the entirely self-generated hostility you receive, maybe a little perspective?

Contrary to what you believe, there is no need for you to set yourself up as the one-and-only definitive authority on the bible and Christianity. There is no need for you to 'go way and work' to find answers to questions as you seem to feel you must.

This is not an Oxbridge seminar with you as the kindly tweedy knowledgeable old professor, and us waiting with baited breath for the latest pearls of wisdom your research has turned up.

It's a Q & A site on the internet, with ordinary people asking and answering questions from other ordinary people.

Try climbing down off your self-created mountain of superiority and condescension and try offering answers off the top of your head, because that's all anyone really wants.

No-one is holding you up as the definitive answer provider, ready to take your word as gospel (pun intended!).

If you try giving simple honest off the top of your head answers to questions, you will find that people will be happy to discuss your thoughts, and you may even learn something.

I am sure that the constant criticism which derives not from your responses, but the absence of them, coupled with your sneering superiority, would vanish over night.

You are a Christian, I am an atheist, but we both put our trousers on one leg at a time.

Try being like everyone else, mildly curious, but not looking for the be-all and end-all answers to questions that no-one, including you, actually has - just thoughts and ideas, like the rest of us.

It's something to actually think about, instead of trying (and failing!) to be the oracle or the entire Christian faith.

[pixie374]

Thanks for your support earlier, Andy xx
But i agree... I have never asked theland for biblical facts, or anything that needs any research. Just his own personal views, which he is happy enough to share.
Theland, I don't believe anyone has ever "set traps" for you and I don't know why you would see it that way. You are open and happy to post your own beliefs, that never requires finding those out from someone else first.
The question is, if you find it hard work, to explain yourself, why are you believing it in the first place? It doesn't seem to sit well with you.

[Theland]

Pixie - on the question of abortion, I agree, I have no right to dictate anything regarding your body.
I am not dictating.
I once found it, "sort of," understandable, that an inconvenient pregnancy could be aborted.
I now believe life is sacred, and abortions should only happen if the mothers physical or mental health is compromised.
I am not being arrogant, I simply support pro life.

[pixie374]

So does everyone, theland.... physical or mental, is exactly how it is. So you were wrong, actually, to claim it had changed your views.

[Theland]

Naomi - "He killed them ........ "
We are talking about the Creator of the Universe, and of us.
His is the bigger plan.
We may not always understand His plan, but I trust in Him to ultimately bring good out of evil.

[Zacs-Master]

So you trust someone whom the bible says slaughtered people to bring good out of evil?

[Theland]

I read recently about an aspect of language used in the O.T.
Like the fans of a football team, talking of their opponents in an imminent game saying, "We will slaughter them, there'll be blood on the pitch, it will be a massacre etc etc etc."
That's only a game of football!
The bible is not averse to using similar language when talking of the subjugation of an opposing tribe.

[Theland]

Yes Zacs I trust God.
Go back to the beginning to see why.

[Zacs-Master]

“”If the Old Testament had been marketed as a horror story — like a Stephen King novel — we might think differently about it. We applaud King's talent (if not the actions of his characters). Those who read his belief-suspending books can appreciate the literary value of that genre. We wink as we wince. We could make allowances for the crude (or even campWikipedia's W.svg) writing style of the Old Testament authors if we thought their aim was to entertain by shocking. But the real horror story — the one that made Nietzsche say he needed to put on gloves before reading it — is that those writers were not pretending. And neither were the readers. Today, anyone who takes the Old Testament seriously — and does not wink or wince at the gratuitous splattering of blood — is a troubled person.
—Former evangelical pastor Dan Barker

[Theland]

No Pixie, I once had sympathy for the aborted inconvenient pregnancy, the one that would interfere with career or social life.
Gradually I came to realise that life is too precious for that.

[Theland]

Why am I the only Christian posting on here?
And taking all the flak?

[pixie374]

Not that precious, that some reasons are valid, and some aren't, though. Hypocrisy and judgemental at least.

[Theland]

Then what do the apologetics say?

[Zacs-Master]

Theland “Why am I the only Christian posting on here?
And taking all the flak?”

The same reason a fly bangs his head on a window pane. Because he can’t see what’s right in front of him.

[naomi24]

Theland, //Like the fans of a football team, talking of their opponents in an imminent game saying, "We will slaughter them, there'll be blood on the pitch, it will be a massacre etc etc etc."
That's only a game of football!
The bible is not averse to using similar language when talking of the subjugation of an opposing tribe.//

What utter claptrap! He DID slaughter them - literally - and you know he did because you’re all for it.