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The Return Of The God Hypothesis.
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If science puts up barriers and refuses to follow truth wherever it leads, then it is left floundering for answers to the big questions, on the creation of the universe, the creation of life from inert chemicals, and the impossibility of Darwin's theory of a sing!e cell ancestor.
Do you consider yourself open minded about such matters and not constricted by a naturalistic worldview?
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Do you consider yourself open minded about such matters and not constricted by a naturalistic worldview?
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Theland - // Andy, for somebody who has no interest and nothing to say, you say an awful lot. // I never said I had no interest, I said I didn't care in looking for 'answers' which is not the same thing. Nothing to say? Are you serious?????
21:16 Fri 12th Jun 2020
Theland, as has been pointed out (many, many times) before, the rebuttals, negations, whatever that totally disprove many of your assertions have been offered to you and rejected by you. No, I don't know the names of those scientists who could 'shoot you down' - but I don't need to know. I am not the one who makes ill-founded claims, offers spurious stuff as proof … and then diverges into 'you're all out to get me' territory.
Theland, 'a discussion turns into a debate with winners and losers' sounds rather lofty - and definitely doesn't describe this thread. You have tried to dismiss everyone else's viewpoint , and resorted to sniping at people. I have always accepted that you have found some scientists who (apparently) agree with some of your points - but the scientific community is huge, and there are many others who don't. You said 'then you come along to criticise, what's that all about?'. It's 'about' my exasperation at you employing all your usual tactics to try to dismiss all the counter arguments.
Science is about proving things and there is no way to prove God - that's not a barrier it's the way science works. Sad to see people like Stephen Meyer as he obviously likes science and is intelligent and has a questioning mind, but can't fully explore the answers as he'll never countenance that the answer will not be God.
The title of this post, and the video linked to is "...the God Hypothesis" so I'd say the foregone conclusion and the label applied to the 'designer' is clear. I use that label so you know what I'm talking about.
I don't know enough about the "facts" to disagree with them but I do know that trying to use science to prove or disprove God is futile, they exist in different realms of human reality. There are no blinkers in science, but to use your analogy, the horses are running on completely different racetracks.
If people want to believe in the God stories then that's literally all they need to do, I could do it now between sips of my coffee. Science on the other hand takes rather more work, all those things presented by Meyer are the result of many thousands of years of human enquiry all he's doing is putting 1 more sentence at the end.. "And God did it" - simple. And that's where the blinkers are.
I don't know enough about the "facts" to disagree with them but I do know that trying to use science to prove or disprove God is futile, they exist in different realms of human reality. There are no blinkers in science, but to use your analogy, the horses are running on completely different racetracks.
If people want to believe in the God stories then that's literally all they need to do, I could do it now between sips of my coffee. Science on the other hand takes rather more work, all those things presented by Meyer are the result of many thousands of years of human enquiry all he's doing is putting 1 more sentence at the end.. "And God did it" - simple. And that's where the blinkers are.
Theland, Meyer //has absolutely no qualifications within the fields of biology, cosmology, or chemistry; he does hold a Bachelor of Science in geology and physics, but his Ph.D is in the philosophy of science which has no relevance to evolutionary biology. //
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Theland, in the hope of studying the ‘facts’ you mention that are offered by the Discovery Institute, I went to their website and clicked on two links to ‘Intelligent Design’, one of which took me to an eight page bookshop, the other to a plea for $50 donations. Where did you find these 'facts'? I really would like to have a look at them.
Theland, you often seem to claim that if somebody doesn't believe something, or think it is likely, they must have proof of knowing differently.
For me, it's the other way around, I like to know "before" I believe something. Until then, I'm happy to say I don't know...
Would you believe me if I said the universe came from a giant dolphin? And can you prove it didn't? It's as irrational as that.
For me, it's the other way around, I like to know "before" I believe something. Until then, I'm happy to say I don't know...
Would you believe me if I said the universe came from a giant dolphin? And can you prove it didn't? It's as irrational as that.
Naomi, Meyer is eminent!y qualified to speak on I.D.
and works with eminent scientists such as Michael Behe and the German palaeontologist / curator, (name escapes me), whose career was promoting Darwin until he examined the evidence. Lots lots more believe me.
Regards selling books and asking for donations, remember that these people are cut off from the lucrative university research grants, and are treated as an athema.
Have you actually examined the evidence for yourself?
Its fascinating, and leaves Darwin standing as an ichon without real substance.
and works with eminent scientists such as Michael Behe and the German palaeontologist / curator, (name escapes me), whose career was promoting Darwin until he examined the evidence. Lots lots more believe me.
Regards selling books and asking for donations, remember that these people are cut off from the lucrative university research grants, and are treated as an athema.
Have you actually examined the evidence for yourself?
Its fascinating, and leaves Darwin standing as an ichon without real substance.
