A Bit Of A Hiatus But Finally Done It

[nailit]

A bit of a hiatus (lockdown, work, personal things etc) but finally read the Bible all the way through, again!
How on earth can anybody read this mess and believe its the word of (any) God is beyond me.
Read about a 3rd of it and left of for a bit. (TBH the unrelenting slaughter was getting to me a bit) Picked up again and read whole books at a time. The contradictions alone had me questioning, never mind the bloodshed etc (That was before I got to the new Testament).
Then the New Testament accounts doent agree with each other.
I tried.
The bible is a crock.
Different books, Different authors, different theologies.

Modern church...
We'll try to reconcile them all and call it the bible...
Good luck with that one.

[Mamyalynne]

No.

[nailit]

//the one of the baby condemned by God to die a lingering death in order to punish the father. That wasn’t a ‘law’. God did that. Is that moral?//
No doubt out of context....
Like stoning women who dont bleed on their wedding night.
Or biblical slavery, or slaughtering whole nations and yet sparing the virgins as spoils of war, or stoning people who pick up stick on the sabbath etc etc.
I really hoped to have a one on one discussion.
Not to be. Christians always cop out .

[Mamyalynne]

Not sure that it's a cop out to say that the Bible is a collection of ancient writings, some moral and many far from moral - indeed murderous in places.

It's not a rule book.

[Theland]

Now then Nailit. Cop out? Keep it civil.
The baby died.
God did not interfere miraculously to save the baby.
He did not send a deliberate cause of death.

[tamborine]

No 5 commandment: Thou shalt not kill/murder (unless its for self protection)

https://www.dummies.com/religion/christianity/catholicism/catholicism-and-the-ten-commandments/

[Theland]

Nailit, I do not claim to be an expert theologian, or an expert Christian apologist, and certainly I am no expert on ancient Mosaic law.
I have studied Christianity on and off for thirty nine years, and I take the view that with patience and research, I can get answers to the passages that I find difficult.
But these passages in no way detract from the essential message of the gospel.
In other words, I don't need a comprehensive answer to everything in order to believe in, and trust God.

[Theland]

Hi Tambo - I hope Frazer continues to improve,and that you are OK.

[tamborine]

Frazer little improvement & gaining some weight. Fed up with not having visitors but bearing up. Thanx for your concern Theland - keep the prayers coming as miracles only happen thru crowd thoughts & prayers.

[nailit]

//Nailit, I do not claim to be an expert theologian, or an expert Christian apologist, and certainly I am no expert on ancient Mosaic law.//
Evidently!
But the point was about morality, not about mosaic law,

[naomi24]

Theland, the lord caused the baby to become very sick. He died a week later.

2 Samuel 12:15-17

[naomi24]

Is that^ an example of good morals?

[Theland]

Nailit. In ancient Israel, everybody was acquainted with the !aw, they were brought up on it, they all knew the consequences for breaking the law.
That was their morality.
If anybody wished to break the law, they knew the price they would pay, so they were without excuse.

[nailit]

///Nailit. In ancient Israel, everybody was acquainted with the !aw, they were brought up on it, they all knew the consequences for breaking the law.
That was their morality.
If anybody wished to break the law, they knew the price they would pay, so they were without excuse///

So a woman had to make herself bleed on her wedding night, no excuse?
You are aware that women dont necessarily bleed upon loosing their virginity??
And yet if they didnt, they would be stoned to death. Is this moral? Is this taken out of context? If its taken out of context (it isnt) how would the stoning to death of a woman for failing to bleed on her first experience of intercourse ever be moral in any context?

[Theland]

Nailit, do you not think the people at that time would not be aware of this anomaly?
They weren't stupid.

[Mozz71]

Are you going to keep ignoring Naomi's question, Theland?

[Theland]

Who?

[Mozz71]

You, obviously.

[Theland]

Nailit, your insistence on the anomaly being immoral is a question best answered by an expert in Mosaic law, is a Rabbi.
I'll look into this myself if I have time.
What really puzzles me is your quest for an answer to the most obscure questions, with no end game in sight.

I doubt very much that you are earnestly seeking after God, because if you were, you would be starting your investigations elsewhere.

I strongly suspect that you have simply reverted to type, and are making every effort to attack the faith of believers, for your own entertainment, and your, '' cop out, '' remark earlier is just your way of announcing, '' You lost, I won,'' in what ceases to be a civilised discussion, and becomes something rather more facile.

You are not surely basing your belief/unbelief in God in such narrow confines?

If this is your entertainment, count me out and enjoy your pseudo victory.

If on the other hand you wish to continue sensibly, count me in..

[Theland]

A point that may interest you regarding prophecy.
Look up
Isaiah 19:5. The Nile will dry up.
Now check the documentaries on YouTube. Type in Ethiopian Dam.

[goodlife]

Theland @ How did Jesus react to those who opposed him? Speaking to his apostles, he said: “Let them be. Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14) Jesus’ wise advice was: ‘Let them alone.’ In due time it would be evident what they were.