What Would It Take To Convince You Otherwise

[nailit]

As a young, ex fundamental, evangelical Christian, what led me out of faith was an (albeit reluctant) admission that I was simply wrong. After years of wrestling with doubts, questions, voracious reading, Bible study, prayer, etc I simply had to admit that my faith was misplaced and I had NO evidence for my beliefs. I had to accept that I was wrong on so many levels.

SO...what would it take to convince you (if you are religious) that *YOU* may be wrong?

(Conversley....just to be fare...what would convince an atheist that THEY may be wrong)?

[andy-hughes]

goodlife - // If you really knew your Bible, you will know that there are many scriptures which show that God is not to blame for what happens. //

But God is God - the Supreme Being who we should all adore / fear (delete according to which scripture you are quoting) who created everything single thing, including us.

So if it is Mankind pulling the strings, and he is the reason for sin, then there's not much point worshiping God is there - he's not in charge, we are.

[nailit]

//Nailit, take a chill pill.
No you don't have to worship anybody. Your choice//

And you dont have to believe in fables. But that's Your choice!

[nailit]

Ridiculous and immoral fables at that...

[nailit]

//Millions die each year from one disease or another. But this is where the Bible gives hope//

Not unless you were an Amalikite, Canaanite or one of several other nations that God ordered to be put to the sword and without mercy.

Not unless you happened to be of a rebellious disposition as a teenager in which case you were to be stoned to death.
As was a virgin that didn't bleed on her wedding night or a rape victim that was forced to marry her rapist.

Not much hope for billions of people that simply cant accept the Bible or who havnt heard its message.

Never heard such rot that the Bible is a message of hope.
Its a message of tyranny. And tyranny of the worst kind.

[nailit]

As is the Watchtower organisation with its 'shunning' policy and cover up of sexual abuse of kids.
Do some research for goodness sake's goodlife and wake up and come back to normality. Stop copy and pasting the junk that your organisation posts and be a freethinker again (As you were born to be).

[allenlondon]

Nailit “ And you dont have to believe in fables.”

But if you interrogated the vast majority of people who claim to have shaken off the believing stuff, you would find some other equally irrational and nonsensical belief instead. Astrology, Magic, Gambling, anything at all.

Once you believe in nothing, you’ll believe in anything.

I think people need a crutch. If not god, then anything will do.

It’s a very hard task to believe in none of this nonsense!

[andy-hughes]

How do you 'believe' in gambling?

[Baldric]

Nothing you could come up with, you are obviously so confused yourself given that you can't leave the subject alone that I just can't take you seriously at all.

[andy-hughes]

Baldric - // Nothing you could come up with, you are obviously so confused yourself given that you can't leave the subject alone that I just can't take you seriously at all. //

Who is that for please?

[Khandro]

[Baldric]

Think about it AH, the OPer of course, it's not all about you.

[archibaldy]

^^ Khandro - I loaded that and skipped randomly in, and at 5:59 to 6:24 he's saying that the New Atheists failed because they didn't take into account that some people are that dumb that they can only understand morals if they come from the Bible?

Really?

[archibaldy]

Apologies just re watched it and he used the word "stupid" not "dumb" about people that can only get their morals from the Bible.

[naomi24]

Allen, //Once you believe in nothing, you’ll believe in anything.//

You have the quote askew, but it was nonsense when G K Chesterton came up with it and nonsense it remains.

(For clarity: “When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”
G K Chesterton).

[andy-hughes]

Baldric, failure to address your responses correctly is your fault, not mine.

I didn't think it was addressed to me,
I merely asked for clarification for the benefit of everyone, there's no need to be rude.

[Mamyalynne]

Thanks Khandro, I quite enjoyed that and he isn't one of my favourite commentators as a rule.

[sevenOP]

"^^ Khandro - I loaded that and skipped randomly in..."

Loaded is an apt term for Sargon of Akkad's rambling, full of assumptions and his personal interpretations on multiple issues, inconclusive babble. Sargon seems caught in a similar tribal trap as the 'holy books' followers he refers to. (i.e. we get our ethos from the past)
Yes archibaldy you got it right, Sargon suggests the 'holy books' may be necessary for those with I.Q.'s 80-90, we need heroes , and 'all lives matter is different from each life matters, as is your life matters', and claims without the 'holy books' we have no incentives towards virtue.
The word 'pretentious' pops into my mind watching him, "Elevatorgate" exemplifying it.

[goodlife]

One good thing about the Bible it tell us what true christians will expect from non christians and especially atheist, but like all things your day will come.Mat 24:14

[ToraToraTora]

"what would convince an atheist that THEY may be wrong" - scientific evidence of omnipotence available on demand and consistently repeatable al will. You know like science.

[naomi24]

Goodlife, //One good thing about the Bible it tell us what true christians will expect from non christians and especially atheist, but like all things your day will come//

How you relish that prospect. Given a moment’s thought it should come as no surprise that others, with rather more moral fibre than you possess, and rather less spite than you are capable of, have no desire to spend eternity with you. There is nothing admirable in your philosophy.