Is True Religion Dying Out ??

[locusts]

Religious and morality Dying :??
Many people, especially the young, view organized religion - traditions - as irrelevant and out of touch . Others have lost confidence in religion. - look how church have behaved over the centuries,” “people have turned away from them because they no longer - believe in them as a moral arbiter.” . “If you look at the way the true Religion - is to - restricted .??

[allenlondon]

Pixie. But don’t all people have some sort of belief system around which scaffolding they lead their lives?

And if you take away all such scaffolding, people are left believing in ‘Me me me’, and nothing more, which can easily be the road to caring only for yourself.

[woofgang]

Pixie morals aren't instinctive, they are taught. Children who aren't taught to share won't share. Children who aren't taught to be kind won't be kind.
I agree that there are people who use religion to control people (or control people in the name of religion which is different)

[woofgang]

I also categorically did not say that the end justifies the means.
What I did say is that we should not discount or vilify the people who show kindness and compassion because their religious beliefs tell them that they should. By this token should we discount or vilify the people who show kindness and compassion because it makes them feel good or because they are paid to do it?
Its interesting...there is a story that when Russia wanted to eliminate religion they decided to focus their plans on young people because the old hard core churchgoing Babuskas would eventually die and religious belief would die with them.....turns out it didn't work like that!

[pixie374]

Allen, yes... and woof, yes, to a degree. But humans are social and instinctively prefer to co-operate, usually. Manners are taught, but character isn't- and your morals, say, might be different from mine.

[pixie374]

I certainly wouldn't vilify someone for showing compassion, but neither would I believe it was down to religion.

[vulcan42]

\\ Pixie. But don’t all people have some sort of belief system around which scaffolding they lead their lives?

And if you take away all such scaffolding, people are left believing in ‘Me me me’, and nothing more, which can easily be the road to caring only for yourself.//
That's a very broad statement, how do you account for the thousands of atheists who are doctors, nurses, carers etc. Not all good people are religious and not all religious people are good.

[pixie374]

It's impossible to take away, anyway... so not really relevant. It would be like saying, "but if we were all robots ..."

[Theland]

I don't like the word religion if it is applied to Christianity.
Religions are man made, whereas Christianity is revealed in the Lord Jesus Christ, and is a personal relationship with him.
It is non violent, just the opposite for anybody truly following its teachings, and is the ultimate authority for morality.

[SparklyKid]

Christianity is revealed in the Lord Jesus Christ, and is a personal relationship with him.

Where can I meet this bloke then ?

[naomi24]

//I don't like the word religion if it is applied to Christianity. //

Don't be silly. Christianity is a religion.

[Theland]

12:39 - So says the voice of authority based on personal opinion.

[naomi24]

No Theland, so says the voice of reality.

[Theland]

Then define religion?
Define Christianity?
What's the difference?

[woofgang]

pixie honestly they don't "instinctively prefer" Evolution means that strategies which work mean that those users live and reproduce and strategies which don't work are extinguished by the death of the users. The elders of the surviving entity teach their young the successful strategies (extelligence)

[naomi24]

Theland, definitions as below:

Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

Christianity: Religion.

[naomi24]

Sorry, I overlooked your final question, Theland.

What's the difference? There is no difference.

[allenlondon]

Ah, woofgang, when you write “we should not discount or vilify the people who show kindness and compassion because their religious beliefs tell them that they should,” I’m afraid those many, maybe hundreds, of Catholic priests spring to mind, who showed kindness and compassion because it was their job, but who showed a great deal more, because it was their predilection.

What I’m saying is not to be fooled by appearances.

Which makes me sad.

[locusts]

SparklyKid 12:31 Sun 30th Aug 2020 /Where can I meet this bloke then ?

//once again historical facts - just like before many years ago- religion would fall apart and the greater number cooling off which was predicted - Matt 24 - 11.12 that greater number -which is referring to the people of the world - Matt 7 . 21 - Not everyone who says to me ‘Lord, Lord’ will get into the Reign of Heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven ????

[woofgang]

allen "Ah, woofgang, when you write “we should not discount or vilify the people who show kindness and compassion because their religious beliefs tell them that they should,” I’m afraid those many, maybe hundreds, of Catholic priests spring to mind, who showed kindness and compassion because it was their job, but who showed a great deal more, because it was their predilection."


yes and that does justify vilifying and punishing them. Good deeds and behaviour do not excuse bad deeds and behaviour and nowhere have I said that it should.

[allenlondon]

Oh woofgang, I'm not putting words into your mouth, never have (well, not intentionally, not knowingly).

I only respond to your posting because what you write usually rings bells, I'm drawn to your good sense, and feel a dialogue might get somewhere.

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