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Does The Devil Run The Earth? Or Does God?
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A simple question really. No doubt some will so no one, but really, someone has to be in control.
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Theland //For me, God remains in ultimate control, but Satan is the legal custodian of this world, (for now!)//
Well Jesus said at
John 12:31-33
Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.' This He said, signifying by what death He would die.
So according to the Bible Satan is in control of the earth at the moment.
Well Jesus said at
John 12:31-33
Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.' This He said, signifying by what death He would die.
So according to the Bible Satan is in control of the earth at the moment.
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Archibaldy//If you take the Christian view, back in the day God was firmly in charge and used to order whole tribes of people to go round killing and getting up to all sorts of mischief.//
Actually God was not firmly in control. From the moment Adam and Eve rebelled and chose to go their own way, Satan has taken over.
He was not mentioned by name until the book of Job. But he had been around from the beginning.If you remember, in the Book of Genesis, after creating man, God rested. He is still resting.
Archibaldy//If you take the Christian view, back in the day God was firmly in charge and used to order whole tribes of people to go round killing and getting up to all sorts of mischief.//
Actually God was not firmly in control. From the moment Adam and Eve rebelled and chose to go their own way, Satan has taken over.
He was not mentioned by name until the book of Job. But he had been around from the beginning.If you remember, in the Book of Genesis, after creating man, God rested. He is still resting.
Idiosyncrasy, //in the Book of Genesis, after creating man, God rested. He is still resting.//
I can only conclude that bizarre idea is the result of wishful thinking - I've never heard it before but clearly none of its God’s fault. However, assuming just for argument's sake that you’re right, who did all the things normally attributed to God? Making the covenant with Abraham, promising the land of Israel to his chosen people (did he not choose them?), speaking to Moses and giving him the Ten Commandments, sending the plagues upon Egypt …. you know the kind of thing. I won't add having himself born on earth in human form so that he could sacrifice himself to himself in order to save us from his wrath ... you might not believe that one.
I can only conclude that bizarre idea is the result of wishful thinking - I've never heard it before but clearly none of its God’s fault. However, assuming just for argument's sake that you’re right, who did all the things normally attributed to God? Making the covenant with Abraham, promising the land of Israel to his chosen people (did he not choose them?), speaking to Moses and giving him the Ten Commandments, sending the plagues upon Egypt …. you know the kind of thing. I won't add having himself born on earth in human form so that he could sacrifice himself to himself in order to save us from his wrath ... you might not believe that one.
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//Idio; I meant the quote John 12 31 33.//
verse 31 - Here the Devil said "I will give you all this authority and their glory because it has been handed over to me and I give it to whomever I wish" this shows that he exercises authority only by permission. Satan’s career as world ruler began back in Eden when he publicly accused God of lying and unjustly exercising His sovereignty.
verse 33 - The more Jesus exposed the hypocrisy of the Jewish religious leaders, the more they wanted to kill him. But his death was not to come directly from the hands of his fellow countrymen.
//Idio; I meant the quote John 12 31 33.//
verse 31 - Here the Devil said "I will give you all this authority and their glory because it has been handed over to me and I give it to whomever I wish" this shows that he exercises authority only by permission. Satan’s career as world ruler began back in Eden when he publicly accused God of lying and unjustly exercising His sovereignty.
verse 33 - The more Jesus exposed the hypocrisy of the Jewish religious leaders, the more they wanted to kill him. But his death was not to come directly from the hands of his fellow countrymen.
Idiosyncrasy, //this shows that he exercises authority only by permission//
Who gave him permission, and if it was such a bad idea, why was permission given? Verses would help.
//Satan’s career as world ruler began back in Eden when he publicly accused God of lying and unjustly exercising His sovereignty.//
Verses?
Who gave him permission, and if it was such a bad idea, why was permission given? Verses would help.
//Satan’s career as world ruler began back in Eden when he publicly accused God of lying and unjustly exercising His sovereignty.//
Verses?
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