Self Righteous Religionists, Just Gotta Love Em Eh?

[nailit]

My sons G/F is pregnant.
Her Uncle is a pastor.
He's just stated that the baby (my grandson) is a product of sin.
You just got to love these people of faith havnt you?

Dick!!

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Now then Andy, my hope is that we challenge each other, and learn.
Chucking barbed remarks around does nothing. //

Would that include remarks about other AB'ers 'having a rant'?

You're quite right, they achieve nothing, so you really need to practice what you (ahem!) preach.

[naomi24]

Theland, //Naomi, I'm never stuck for s response to you, my only problem is a lack of stamina replying to your empty rants.//

Not so. The post you deemed a rant told the real story - something clearly not to your taste.

Ps. The last word thing was always something designed to silence the opposition and it’s way past its sell-by date. You need to re-examine your penchant for spite because it’s exposing your nastiness. Try something else.

[Spungle]

//Where all Christians slip up is when they develop an undeserved sense of superiority over people who don't believe as they do, including atheists like me// No, Andy, this is leaping to yet another unfounded and illogical conclusion. More enlightened perhaps, okay, but superior, not at all. I dont know what way you imagine I view you as somehow inferior? That appears to be based on complete assumption, bigotry and a denial of facts. We all have access to what is on offer, and free choice whether to accept or reject God. You choose.

[Theland]

I ditto that post above to Naomi.

[naomi24]

Spungle, //No, Andy, this is leaping to yet another unfounded and illogical conclusion. More enlightened perhaps, okay…//

That last sentence is illogical and unfounded in itself. Why do you think you’re more enlightened? I could give you several examples that claim the existence of creator Gods. Why don’t you believe those - or haven’t you investigated them because you think you have the answer already? Do you ever actually read what you’ve written - or understand what you’re reading - and question your claims?

//We all have access to what is on offer//

That^ is the only truth in the whole of your post. We do indeed and some of us recognise the contradictions and the faults and question them. Try it.

You too,Theland. You must have noticed the number of times you dismiss or ignore rational argument.

[vulcan42]

Dictionary definition of enlightened.
'' factually well-informed, tolerant of alternative opinions, and guided by rational thought''.
Perhaps it should have added the following proviso. '' this doesn't apply on the religion and spirituality section on AB''.

[Theland]

Definition of rational thought on AB is that the universe created itself out of nothing, that inert lifeless chemicals began living all on their own, and that dog to cat, or cow to whale evolution is worthy of serious consideration!
Come on!
Behave!
Call that lot rational?
Gimme a break!

[pixie374]

I'm not sure anyone has suggested those evolution theories? I have asked you to clarify on the other thread, as I don't really understand your point here.
To me, a spirit creating everything from nothing, is even more irrational.

[naomi24]

Take a break if that’s what you want, theland. Time to ponder the possibility of something coming from nothing ... god for example.

[drmorgans]

So because scientists can't explain the origins of the universe, can't give a definitive answer for the beginnings of life on our planet (and possibly others), therefore everything was created by a god?

[Theland]

D Morgans - if you are satisfied with infinite regression as opposed to a First Cause, then just think, time itself would be infinite,and so today has not yet arrived!
Crazy stuff man!
But if you agree with a beginning, then there has to be a first cause, a creator of physical laws, and something for those laws to act upon.
And consider this. If God created man, with only his five senses, who is to say that God left the detection and interaction with the spirit world, only to those who are prepared to look, and are endowed with the humility to acknowledge a power higher than themselves.
This is at least plausible, and provides the possibility of a meaningful dialogue.

[drmorgans]

I am happy with uncertainty and striving for understanding, rather than just believing an interpretation of the translation of a 2,000-year-old book. That isn't meant to be dismissive. But if you start from the position that god must exist, then everything comes back to god existing.

[andy-hughes]

Spungle - // More enlightened perhaps, okay, but superior, not at all. I dont know what way you imagine I view you as somehow inferior? //

The inbuilt sense of pity combined with arrogance that comes with being a fervent Christian on this site is so natural to you that you don;t even see that you are exercising it in the very sentence you are writing to deny it.

"More enlightened perhaps ..."?

How dare you.

You have less that no idea of how 'enlightened' I may or may not be so don't you dare patronise me with your "I actually know better than you so I can talk down to you as though you are a slightly stupid child who will understand one day ..." attitude so beloved of all the fervents on here.

You have been on this site for a couple of years, I have been here for over twenty, and when you have been patronised and insulted as many times as I have by your fellow believers, you will understand why my attitude, and that of other regulars, is as it is.

In the mean time, if you want to come back and tell me that you have 'something I need ...' then please save us both the time.

I know what you think you have, and I do not need it.

[andy-hughes]

drmorgans - // But if you start from the position that god must exist, then everything comes back to god existing. //

And if you don't then it doesn't.

[fender62]

put this to the proverbial, my whole family were begotten in sin
and im sure they enjoyed every hour of it..lol

[drmorgans]

I was more thinking that if you think god might exist (rather than being determined that s/he does) then your understanding of the possibilities might widen. Personally I don't believe in god but I can offer no explanation of how the universe began.

[andy-hughes]

drmorgans - // Personally I don't believe in god but I can offer no explanation of how the universe began. //

An attitude I can entirely concur with.

It certainly beats "Well there isn't a scientific answer so it must be God that did it ... " which is the tiresome mantra we get from the fervents day in and day out on here.

There was a time when there was no proof that the earth is round, it was simply a belief.

Science will find an answer to the beginnings of the universe, not in my lifetime, but it will.

[fender62]

i guess some people are still cave thinking, the moon must be a godess and the sun a god, thye obviously don't sleep together.

[Atheist]

Andy, I don't think that the world being round was ever a 'belief'; the idea came from speculation which led to a theory that a round earth would fit in with observations about ships dipping below the horizon, and the shape of lunar eclipses. There were never any religious dogmas about a round earth, just theories which eventualaly stood the test of time.

[Paigntonian]

Remember that reason is itself an act of faith. You have to have faith that your reasoning bears any relation to reality.