Religionists. What Have You Got To Offer Me?

[nailit]

Seriously, what you got to offer me?
Or is it a case of what I can avoid!

I'm deadly (excuse the pun) serious. But what can your belief system/religion/spiritual tradition/ offer me except a free pass out of hell?

An eternity of Hallelujah's?
For Eternity????

[Chinajan]

// Is there also something wrong then with saying, "A woman's husband" ? //

Well, yes, in that it reduces that person to existing simply as an appendage of someone else.

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - // Did you not love your mother andy? //

I did, but I always saw her as my mother, never as 'another man's wife' - that would just be odd.

[Khandro]

Cj //Well, yes, in that it reduces that person to existing simply as an appendage of someone else.//

Only in your warped imagination.

[pixie374]

Why warped? Other than describing a particular individual, when would you ever say "a woman's husband" or "a man's wife" irl?

[eve1974]

I dont feel that ref to someone as “his wife” or “her husband” is objectifying.

I’m proud to be a wife. Just like I’m proud of the job that I do, am proud of being my parents daughter, my brothers sister. It’s only one aspect of any of us and I’m never offended to be ref as “the wife of xxx “

[pixie374]

That makes sense, eve, when it is a specific person to identify. Khandro, though, seems to be on a mission to publicise some of the biggest problems with religion, while also showing why evolution is needed...

[eve1974]

Andy h - interestingly my Bruv and I had to speak about this today,

My mum has been advised that the cancer is worse than thought - and my dad has ceased all communications with us today (and mum the patient is saying she doesn’t feel up to talking about it )

Bruv feels that our dad Shld be communicating today - but I disagree n said “she’s HIS wife”. .... the 2 of them come first with this sort of thing. She was his wife / he her husband before us kids came along and therefore we are not the prime ones in the line for the info (ps they WILL tell us but today they are too much in shock i think)

[eve1974]

Sorry to digress - but just wanted to try explain why I don’t think that ref to someone as “his / her spouse” is always objectionable

[eve1974]

Pixie 16:31 - ahhhh that’ll teach me gor not thoroughly reading thru all the prev answers!

[pixie374]

Me neither, but that wasn't what was said. Hopefully, nailit won't see it as too much digression, it's relevant.

[pixie374]

No worries, eve- sorry to see about your dad x

[andy-hughes]

eve1974 - // Andy h - interestingly my Bruv and I had to speak about this today,

My mum has been advised that the cancer is worse than thought - and my dad has ceased all communications with us today (and mum the patient is saying she doesn’t feel up to talking about it )

Bruv feels that our dad Shld be communicating today - but I disagree n said “she’s HIS wife”. .... the 2 of them come first with this sort of thing. She was his wife / he her husband before us kids came along and therefore we are not the prime ones in the line for the info (ps they WILL tell us but today they are too much in shock i think) //

I still maintain that for a man to think of his mother in terms of being 'another man's wife' is peculiar - and it does not cease to be peculiar becomes some literary figure refers to it.

As far as I can see, the two relationships are mutually exclusive - why on earth would I be thinking of my mother in terms of 'another man'?

Weird.

[eve1974]

But that’s exactly how I was trying to explain it to my Bruv....

She’s his wife. Another mans wife.

But maybe my Bruv thinks like you abd struggles to see her as our dads wife.,., he sees her only as our mother.

[naomi24]

This is a ridiculous diversion from the subject of the thread. All in the mind of the beholder I’d say. I saw nothing wrong with it.

Like a previous poster I’d like to know what we need salvation from? The concept of sin only exists in the world of the believer.

[Chinajan]

//
I dont feel that ref to someone as “his wife” or “her husband” is objectifying.

I’m proud to be a wife. Just like I’m proud of the job that I do, am proud of being my parents daughter, my brothers sister. It’s only one aspect of any of us and I’m never offended to be ref as “the wife of xxx “ //

You're missing the point I'm trying to make Eve. All those aspects of yourself are true but no single one of them defines you. I'm not for one moment suggesting that one shouldn't be 'proud' to be someone's wife, husband, greengrocer, boss or whatever. That's not what I said and not what I mean.

Khandro - rude as usual.

[eve1974]

True Chinachan - yup we are all an amalgamation of many aspects

[andy-hughes]

eve - // But maybe my Bruv thinks like you abd struggles to see her as our dads wife.,., he sees her only as our mother. //

I don't struggle with the concept of my mother as my dad's wife, it's the 'another man's wife' description that gives me the creeps.

[eve1974]

Ah right - understand ya niw Andy

[nailit]

Over 50 answers and not one can tell me what you can offer me!
You can all tell me to expect (as an atheist) an eternity in hell.
(subject to interpretation)
But not one of you can describe a pleasurable afterlife!

[Theland]

I can't describe the pleasurable afterlife to you because I haven't been there ...... yet.
However, I have it on good authority that it will be joyous and eternal.
Far better than the last week in July and first week in August in a caravan in North Wales.
Hope this helps :-)