Unless You Are Saved Through The Grace Of Jesus Christ You Are Going To Hell.

[Theland]

God is real, hell is real, and it is your choice whether or not you wake up to reality and accept the free gift of salvation.
The alternative is too horrible to consider.
It is either / or, there is no other way.
Save yourself. Now.

[bednobs]

as far as i can tell, JC has infinite grace anyway, so we'll all be ok!

[Peter Pedant]

// Atheist - I am most certainly not condemned to eternal suffering.// foo no need for St Peter then, he can get on wiv something else

erm - isnt this the sin of Pride? - - just wondering

[Theland]

Your question perfectly illustrates your lack of knowledge of the bible.

[naomi24]

Who appointed you? Fourth time.

[Theland]

And still you persist with the very question, for the fourth time, that shows up your lack of knowledge of the bible.
Work it out.
I dare you.

[Barmaid]

Ok so we've established that you think Naomi knows nothing, but she has asked you a very sensible question which you havent answered. Four times.

Generally, if someone doesnt answer a sensible question it is because they do not like the question they have been asked since the truthful answer makes them look a bit silly.

[pixie374]

Theland, this might not come across well, but, I don't give a monkeys frankly, about religion. But, you seem scared. Seriously, are you ok?
I don't read this as about "other people".

[Theland]

Pixie, thank you for your concern.
I am fine, given the limitations of my health.

The bible is quite clear in its doctrine of hell.
This is an uncomfortable truth for many, but a warning that should be heeded.
The instruction given to every Christian is to tell people about the gospel of Christ, and that includes the doctrine of hell.

[pixie374]

Ok, good x it is neither "uncomfortable" nor "truth". Most adults will have already made their own decisions by now, and almost all will have been exposed to Christianity, to some extent.
If people have decided against it- that's valid. I most definitely wouldn't want a religion, where the two choices are "worship" or "too horrible to consider".
That isn't even a choice, let alone free will.

[Theland]

Christianity, as presented in many mainstream churches, bears little resemblance to the real thing.
Jesus Christ offers us a way to a glorious and eternal future. And its a free gift.
Distorted bible teaching is enough to put off so many people, yet the truth is accessible to all.

[pixie374]

We don't know any of that, theland. Would you trust a god- in eternity- that is willing to torture people forever, if they don't sing or pray enough? What kind of being would that be?
Humans, like all animals, should just be returned to the ground. That's how they are eternal- plus children, grandchildren etc. There is nothing in us that survives death- with consciousness. How can it?

[Theland]

Pixie you ask how can it?
I must insist on the reliability of the bible.
It teaches what is, and what must be.
It proves itself time and time again with the prophecies contained within it.
Reading the prophecies, and comparing them to established Jewish history, is a remarkable learning experience.
It is an amazing and miraculous proof that the bible is true.

[pixie374]

I just have one question to clarify really...
Just as an example- and I "know" God made him ill and unable to control his behaviour. But, say, Peter Sutcliffe, prayed several times a day, fully believed in God and Jesus as a narcoleptic (for all the good it did...). He goes to heaven.
A kind, decent person, who helps people where they can and is basically a normal human with a conscience, but doesn't believe in God. They go to hell?

[sherrardk]

Why do religious people insist on posting their views (which if it floats your boat, then go for it) on a mainly note believer forum? Why not post on a religious forum? It must be like banging your head against a wall.

[pixie374]

Nobody can "insist" on any reliability in the bible. By now, we are on Chinese Whispers- and that's assuming the bible was accurate in the first place.

I've asked you about prophecies before. But you didn't confirm that either they gave reliable dates, accurate information or were always right. Any one of those would be a start.
What did they say about covid?
Honestly, I could give you 100 vague predictions... and in 2000 years time- you an translate them how you like :-)

[pixie374]

Sherr, theland is trying to convince himself. Not us.

[Theland]

Pixie, here's the deal.
We are all guilty of sin.
Yes, a repentent murderer will be forgiven, if he is truly repentent, and heartbroken at the realisation of the gravity of his sin.
We need to stop saying, what about him? What about her? What about them?
Jesus says, YOU follow me.

[pixie374]

Well, he sounds a bit arrogant then. Are you willing to answer any of my questions? Hopefully, I don't need to repeat them all at this time of night.

[Theland]

You want proof of the prophecies?
Read the old testament prophets and compare them to Jewish history, right up to the present day, and the accuracy will jump out at you.

[pixie374]

I have. It didn't.
Can ask you-
Do you think a human can return from the dead?
Do you think a soul can leave a body- and still be conscious?
Do you think people over 2000 years ago, knew more than we do now?
What do you think will happen to you- if there is no god?
The first are just yes/no.