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The Historical Jesus.
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Compared to other people in history, there is a wealth of documents to support the existence of Jesus, and His ministry on Earth, yet critics pour scorn on His very existence, but have no trouble believing in other figures for which there is only fractional evidence.
Is this a correct assertion that I have made, or am I somehow mistaken?
The scorn, that is, not the existence of Jesus.
Is this a correct assertion that I have made, or am I somehow mistaken?
The scorn, that is, not the existence of Jesus.
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Dear God, As you know, I am a skeptic and I would require lots of evidence to believe in you, but since you're omnipotent and know what it would take to prove your existance to me so that I can believe, I am sincerely imploring you to do it.
I do not think that you can because I don't think you exist, but if you do exist, my lack of belief in your existance is irrelevant.
I am entirely open to being proved wrong with sufficient evidence and will gladly widely proclaim your greatness and write nonsense about homosexuals like Mani and go to house group at Theland's house if you do this thing for me. As a known skeptic on here, I would think that in a small way, my conversion might be a good way to witness to other atheistic scum on this website.
Amen.
I do not think that you can because I don't think you exist, but if you do exist, my lack of belief in your existance is irrelevant.
I am entirely open to being proved wrong with sufficient evidence and will gladly widely proclaim your greatness and write nonsense about homosexuals like Mani and go to house group at Theland's house if you do this thing for me. As a known skeptic on here, I would think that in a small way, my conversion might be a good way to witness to other atheistic scum on this website.
Amen.
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Jake - The documents are the canon of the NT itself, along with other gospels and letters that were not included in the canon.
The earliest of these were the letters of Paul and the gospel of Mark, and the latter has been dated to around 60 AD, well within the lifetime of actual witnesses to the life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
The earliest of these were the letters of Paul and the gospel of Mark, and the latter has been dated to around 60 AD, well within the lifetime of actual witnesses to the life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
As I have said several times before, there is no historical basis for the Jesus story.
Not a word was written about him during his supposed lifetime, whenever exactly that was. There is no record of him in Jewish or Roman records of the time, nor do any historians living and writing in Palestine in the first part of the 1st century mention him. We don't know who any of the gospel writers were, who were writing many years after the supposed time of his death anyway. There is not one eye- or ear-witness account of anything he did or said.
As history the Jesus story has the same status as that of Snow White or Goldilocks.
Whiffey, I am reading "Jesus, Man or Myth " and it truly astonishes me. I will reserve other comment until I have finished it then contact you in a separate post.
Not a word was written about him during his supposed lifetime, whenever exactly that was. There is no record of him in Jewish or Roman records of the time, nor do any historians living and writing in Palestine in the first part of the 1st century mention him. We don't know who any of the gospel writers were, who were writing many years after the supposed time of his death anyway. There is not one eye- or ear-witness account of anything he did or said.
As history the Jesus story has the same status as that of Snow White or Goldilocks.
Whiffey, I am reading "Jesus, Man or Myth " and it truly astonishes me. I will reserve other comment until I have finished it then contact you in a separate post.
And again, Theland..............you consistently use the formation of the State of Israel as evidence of 'prophecies fulfilled/miracle' but have yet to offer the 'other' fulfilled prophecies for examination.
Of course, many, many present day things, not least the (Western Christian) calendar, have their genesis in some sort of religious context. This is because the adherence to the Christian church and its teachings was fundemental at that time and no other system could be conceived of ..........
Of course, many, many present day things, not least the (Western Christian) calendar, have their genesis in some sort of religious context. This is because the adherence to the Christian church and its teachings was fundemental at that time and no other system could be conceived of ..........
God is never going to issue conclusive proof, because it would defeat the purpose. If ever the resurrection were to be conclusively proven, he would have lost the intent, which was to earn the attention (love?) of mankind of its own volition. A forced respect via scientific treatise is useless.
The words I think on the most are 'My God why have you forsaken me'. I have my own take on them, but not for this thread.
The words I think on the most are 'My God why have you forsaken me'. I have my own take on them, but not for this thread.
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