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Theland | 11:16 Wed 10th Oct 2007 | Religion & Spirituality
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Compared to other people in history, there is a wealth of documents to support the existence of Jesus, and His ministry on Earth, yet critics pour scorn on His very existence, but have no trouble believing in other figures for which there is only fractional evidence.
Is this a correct assertion that I have made, or am I somehow mistaken?
The scorn, that is, not the existence of Jesus.
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That's the point Theland, I don't bl00dy want it. Stop trying to sell what nobody wants to buy.
Dear God, As you know, I am a skeptic and I would require lots of evidence to believe in you, but since you're omnipotent and know what it would take to prove your existance to me so that I can believe, I am sincerely imploring you to do it.

I do not think that you can because I don't think you exist, but if you do exist, my lack of belief in your existance is irrelevant.

I am entirely open to being proved wrong with sufficient evidence and will gladly widely proclaim your greatness and write nonsense about homosexuals like Mani and go to house group at Theland's house if you do this thing for me. As a known skeptic on here, I would think that in a small way, my conversion might be a good way to witness to other atheistic scum on this website.

Amen.
Then walk out of the shop Doc.
Israel, miracle ?????????????????


I thought that was U.S. dollars.
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Shop. I was asked in.

What about door to door salesmen?
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Jake - The documents are the canon of the NT itself, along with other gospels and letters that were not included in the canon.
The earliest of these were the letters of Paul and the gospel of Mark, and the latter has been dated to around 60 AD, well within the lifetime of actual witnesses to the life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
Lost jesus. Have you tried looking in the coffin.
Just how do you do that rising from the dead trick.

Bet Paul Daniels knows.
As I have said several times before, there is no historical basis for the Jesus story.
Not a word was written about him during his supposed lifetime, whenever exactly that was. There is no record of him in Jewish or Roman records of the time, nor do any historians living and writing in Palestine in the first part of the 1st century mention him. We don't know who any of the gospel writers were, who were writing many years after the supposed time of his death anyway. There is not one eye- or ear-witness account of anything he did or said.
As history the Jesus story has the same status as that of Snow White or Goldilocks.
Whiffey, I am reading "Jesus, Man or Myth " and it truly astonishes me. I will reserve other comment until I have finished it then contact you in a separate post.
And again, Theland..............you consistently use the formation of the State of Israel as evidence of 'prophecies fulfilled/miracle' but have yet to offer the 'other' fulfilled prophecies for examination.

Of course, many, many present day things, not least the (Western Christian) calendar, have their genesis in some sort of religious context. This is because the adherence to the Christian church and its teachings was fundemental at that time and no other system could be conceived of ..........
God is never going to issue conclusive proof, because it would defeat the purpose. If ever the resurrection were to be conclusively proven, he would have lost the intent, which was to earn the attention (love?) of mankind of its own volition. A forced respect via scientific treatise is useless.

The words I think on the most are 'My God why have you forsaken me'. I have my own take on them, but not for this thread.
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Doc Spock - I started the thread by asking a question, not intending to cause offence to you or anybody else.
If by touching on the subject of my own faith I have been discourteous, then I apologise as getting your hackles up was not my intention.
Ah Goldilocks please show all due reverence and respect and refer to She as Her.

Perhaps all the religions in the world should have appealed to Her instead of all the apparently deaf gods Ken Bigley may have been returned to his family.

Bit fickle these gods.
Sorry, Whiffey, it was 4GS who put me onto that book, not you. Apologies.
I think the 'Babel Fish' argument could be expanded and found to have a basis in reality.

THINKS - Did I really use the word reality in this thread ?
Spock sounds well hacked off, probably steam coming out of his ears. Let's hope so anyway !!

Flippin eck whiffey, not you as well. How many more religious nutters have we got out there.
I am just dismayed that seemingly intelligent people have this strange primordial instinct to believe in fairies.
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The Bible talks endlessly about Jerusalem, and here we are in 2007 and it's still in the news on a regular basis. It is disputed and has been fought over as predicted, and no mans wisdom can bring peace there.
Doesn't that tell you something of the authenticity of the prophecies?

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