Which holds most water for you?

[flobadob]

1. Everything we know was created by some sort of a big explosion between something or other that was there before the explosion and such.
2. Everything we know was created by some guy.
3. Everything we know was created by your imagination.

[Buenchico]

1. Perfect scientific sense.
2. Utter bollox!
3. I can't answer unless I can prove that I exist.

Chris

[y-cymro]

Has to be number 1 all the way (even though it's Sunday).

The only thing created by imagination was when Angelina Jolie's car broke down outside my house, and I became a qualified mechanic and she was so grateful that she said I could do anything ......

[Octavius]

Number 1, but number 2 lit the fuse, the rest is number 3.

Number 2 might have been a woman - or would that be too far fetched?

[123everton]

Here we go round the Mulberry bush.
1 How can nothing explode into nothing and create something of a size so immense we can't fathom it?
2 The closest thing to a bucket I can find.
3 It's a possibility, but if we imagined our own existence would'nt we all create better ones for ourselves?
I remember reading about a new scientific(?) philosophy that we are all computer generated avatars it justified it by saying light runs at the same speed through a vacuum when in theory (aparently) it should travel faster.
I understood it (did'nt believe in it) but to understand all is is to know all.
Whatever floats your boat.

[jake-the-peg]

Number 1 does not describe the big bang theory.

This is a common mistake the idea that there was something "before" the big bang.

Physical Space and Time itself started at the big bang.

There was no before

That's really hard to get your head around - probably impossible

But time doesn't work the way we think it does

[brionon]

The honest answer ? I don't know !

[Whickerman]

1. Probably, subject to what jake said.
2. possibly. His name's Frank, and he goes to my local. At least he claims he invented everything.
3. Possibly also. I'm pink, therefore I'm spam.

[naomi24]

This thing about there being absolutely nothing before the big bang is what I can't get my head around. How can something 'bang' if there's nothing there to cause it? An effect must have a cause, so how do you explain it, Jake? It makes no sense whatsoever to me.

To answer the question:

1. Yes - but I don't know how.

2. No.

3. No.

Octavius, you know the old saying - "When God made man, she was only joking!" :o)

Whicker, I like the sound of Frank. It's probably worth going to your pub for the entertainment alone. :o)

[DungeonJayne]

I agree with your first bit Naomi.

Although we keep discovering more and more about the Universe, we're never going to work out ...

a. What was there before the Universe, or
b. What's beyond the edges.



ps. When I say "we keep discovering more", I don't mean you and me ... I mean astronomers and scientists, etc.

[jake-the-peg]

Of course it doesn't make any sense to you.

We live our entire lives in a time stream where time behaves in a nice normal way. That's why you think that an effect must have a cause because that's what you've always experienced.

Do you really think that the way things work in the narrow bands of temperature and gravity and speed that we all live in are the same as they are in extreme conditions like black holes or supernovae - let alone at the begining of the Universe.

No I can't explain it to you I spent many years studying physics and astronomy and only have the most tenuous hold on some of this but it's enough to see as St. Paul had it "through a glass darkly"

Let me give you a taste though

A black hole is in many ways the reverse of the big bang. As you get closer and closer to the centre of it, time slows down and eventually stops.

No before, No after, No time.

If you think that's far fetched - remember that the very laws that tell us this are built into everone's SatNav.

Without General relativity you'd be lost

[DungeonJayne]

Thanks Jake TP, I was enjoying your post. Is there any more? It was enlightening.



And there I was, just wondering if I could have Angelina Jolie after y-cymro had finished with her?

[terambulan]

None of the above.

Darwins theory; I think we evolved.

All from the monkeys in Africa!

[naomi24]

Jake, yes I'm aware of all of that, I understand the concept of black holes, and it's not far fetched at all, but the effect(for want of a better word) ultimately existing at the centre of a black hole is attributable to a cause. Something coming from nothing still doesn't make sense. If there is absolutely nothing, no time, no space, no matter - nothing - then there is nothing to produce an effect. I suppose the next questions have to be 'What is nothing'? Did 'nothing' ever exist, and if it did is 'nothing' actually 'something'? Phew, a bit deep for 9 o'clock in the morning!

[Octavius]

That kinda goes to explain our existence and our universe jake, but what if our universal existence is part of a multiple by-product of a super universe?

We know now that our universe is made up of many galaxies (of uncertain quantity and various sizes) ours of which is the Milky Way, the next nearest being the Andromeda Galaxy about 2.5million light years away. Who is to say that our universe is not also one of many? Whilst 'our' time began at zero, there is every possibilty that outside of the observable universe, that things have been 'going on' prior to our existence and now which may have caused 'us' to occur? Or that our continuing expansion could lead to a micro universe within ours?!

Its all theories innit?

[flobadob]

Lets forget all the cause and effect stuff. Look up at the sky at night and ask yourself how did all that and more come from nothing or not nothing as the case may be. Also I'm just thinking that size is relative and technically we could all be inside an atom that someone is viewing through a microscope somewhere ready to crack us open....

[123everton]

I don't know much about nothing, or how to define nothing but I do no that nothing is the best cure for a headache.
Because as I'm sure we all know, nothing gets rid of a quicker than Aspirin

[Octavius]

There are two ways to live: you can live as if nothing is a miracle; you can live as if everything is a miracle.

[123everton]

I agree with that, today I was driving by Hope University when a woman standing across the road collapsed (I think she had a panic attack) she would'nt let me call an ambulance, I could'nt take her to her Grand daughter's shop (I had a bus full of people) and I could'nt leave the bus where it was (traffic) when lo and behold one of our inspectors turned up in a car he was on his way to somewhere else, problem solved...
Coincidence? Or divine intervention?
Take your pick.

[Octavius]

Well, unless she was praying for a miracle I'd go with 'coincidence'!

[naomi24]

Me too - even if she was praying for a miracle.