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I know this a bit on the poitical side, but i'd like to know, if you don't mind, what is your conception of Jews in this country?.
I ask this, because some of the replies and posts in the news section, were most definately anti Jewish, as well as being anti Israeli,
With whats happening, and peoples perspectives, I can understand the anti Israeli part, but I find it hard to understand the spite that came out, (only from a few), against Jews.
I ask this, because some of the replies and posts in the news section, were most definately anti Jewish, as well as being anti Israeli,
With whats happening, and peoples perspectives, I can understand the anti Israeli part, but I find it hard to understand the spite that came out, (only from a few), against Jews.
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You may have my personal feelings, from the heart.
I see Jews and Israel as a natural ally and friend. I am aware of the "Jews killed Christ" thing, but that is rubbish - the Romans did it - and it had to be done.
Similarly, in oblique allusion to recent threads, there can be no peace with Hamas, which will be satisfied with no less than the complete annihilation of the Jewish race. Does that sound familiar?
Power to you matey.
I see Jews and Israel as a natural ally and friend. I am aware of the "Jews killed Christ" thing, but that is rubbish - the Romans did it - and it had to be done.
Similarly, in oblique allusion to recent threads, there can be no peace with Hamas, which will be satisfied with no less than the complete annihilation of the Jewish race. Does that sound familiar?
Power to you matey.
I dont understand the persecution of Jews in any form. My mum was a furrier to trade and the family she worked for all her working life were great friends, they were grateful that their families survived terrible attrocities and were extremely kind.
I remember seeing films about the holocaust when I was young and I never forgot them.
I remember seeing films about the holocaust when I was young and I never forgot them.
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Generally speaking a very polite and friendly bunch. A couple of my (Catholic) female cousins have married jews and they are two of the nicest blokes I know.
As a whole though, jews tend to keep themselves to themselves. I suppose that is the outcome of years of subjugation (in victorian london as well as elsewhere).
As a whole though, jews tend to keep themselves to themselves. I suppose that is the outcome of years of subjugation (in victorian london as well as elsewhere).
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Oo-er! I'm sure Octavius posted here - but it's gone. Why? There was nothing wrong with it. Or am I imagining it?
Hi Lonnie, you were talking to people who were just plain prejudiced. Both politics and religion do funny things to people's minds - and mixed they can produce a plethora of irrationality. I haven't met many ultra-orthodox Jews, for obvious reasons, but I've known several orthodox Jews, some of whom have been my good friends for many years. In fact one of my bridesmaids at my first wedding was an orthodox Jew - and she loved being a part of a Christian wedding - as did the rest of her family. In my experience, if a Jew accepts you as a friend, then you are as one of the family and you are a friend for life. I love them. As friends, they are the kindest and the most caring people you could wish to meet. I have two complaints against them though. At weddings or Bar Mitzvahs, they toast Israel - a country that many have them have never been anywhere near, and although I understand why they do it, it sort of rubs with my English identity! Having said that, they do toast the Queen too, so that helps a bit! The other complaint is that after sitting at their table and enjoying a wonderful steak (great hosts the Jews!), they prefer me not to have cream with my coffee! (But since I respect them and their homes, I wouldn't dream of making an issue of it, so that's just between us. Black will be just fine). ;o)
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Hi Lonnie, you were talking to people who were just plain prejudiced. Both politics and religion do funny things to people's minds - and mixed they can produce a plethora of irrationality. I haven't met many ultra-orthodox Jews, for obvious reasons, but I've known several orthodox Jews, some of whom have been my good friends for many years. In fact one of my bridesmaids at my first wedding was an orthodox Jew - and she loved being a part of a Christian wedding - as did the rest of her family. In my experience, if a Jew accepts you as a friend, then you are as one of the family and you are a friend for life. I love them. As friends, they are the kindest and the most caring people you could wish to meet. I have two complaints against them though. At weddings or Bar Mitzvahs, they toast Israel - a country that many have them have never been anywhere near, and although I understand why they do it, it sort of rubs with my English identity! Having said that, they do toast the Queen too, so that helps a bit! The other complaint is that after sitting at their table and enjoying a wonderful steak (great hosts the Jews!), they prefer me not to have cream with my coffee! (But since I respect them and their homes, I wouldn't dream of making an issue of it, so that's just between us. Black will be just fine). ;o)
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I know the question relates to Jews in England, but I would like to add that Jews in Israel I find to be generally aloof, unfriendly, and unhelpful - apart from most waiters and waitresses who seem happy enough to chat. Maybe the others have a lot on their minds.
Weeal, I'm pleased you said that. You need to see the holocaust museums in New York, and more especially in Israel, to really realise what the holocaust was all about - and then, to be perfectly honest, we're the lucky ones, because none of us can really ever understand what those people suffered. Man's capacity for cruelty to his fellow man is truly, truly unbelievable. Absolutely heart breaking.
Sorry, I went off track there a bit.
I know the question relates to Jews in England, but I would like to add that Jews in Israel I find to be generally aloof, unfriendly, and unhelpful - apart from most waiters and waitresses who seem happy enough to chat. Maybe the others have a lot on their minds.
Weeal, I'm pleased you said that. You need to see the holocaust museums in New York, and more especially in Israel, to really realise what the holocaust was all about - and then, to be perfectly honest, we're the lucky ones, because none of us can really ever understand what those people suffered. Man's capacity for cruelty to his fellow man is truly, truly unbelievable. Absolutely heart breaking.
Sorry, I went off track there a bit.
Something odd going on here - this won't let me post. Trying again, so if my posts duplicate - my apologies.
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I know the question relates to Jews in England, but I would like to add that Jews in Israel I find to be generally aloof, unfriendly, and unhelpful - apart from most waiters and waitresses who seem happy enough to chat. Maybe the others have a lot on their minds.
Weeal, I'm pleased you said that. You need to see the holocaust museums in New York, and more especially in Israel, to really realise what the holocaust was all about - and then, to be perfectly honest, we're the lucky ones, because none of us can really ever understand what those people suffered. Man's capacity for cruelty to his fellow man is truly, truly unbelievable. Absolutely heart breaking.
Sorry, I went off track there a bit.
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I know the question relates to Jews in England, but I would like to add that Jews in Israel I find to be generally aloof, unfriendly, and unhelpful - apart from most waiters and waitresses who seem happy enough to chat. Maybe the others have a lot on their minds.
Weeal, I'm pleased you said that. You need to see the holocaust museums in New York, and more especially in Israel, to really realise what the holocaust was all about - and then, to be perfectly honest, we're the lucky ones, because none of us can really ever understand what those people suffered. Man's capacity for cruelty to his fellow man is truly, truly unbelievable. Absolutely heart breaking.
Sorry, I went off track there a bit.
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I�m sure Octavius posted a perfectly reasonable answer here, but it�s gone. Or am I mistaken? I�ve tried to post my reply several times tonight, but to no avail. I�ll try again. Here goes!
Hi Lonnie, you were talking to people who were just plain prejudiced. Both politics and religion do funny things to people's minds - and mixed they can produce a plethora of irrationality. I haven't met many ultra-orthodox Jews, for obvious reasons, but I've known several orthodox Jews, some of whom have been my good friends for many years. In fact one of my bridesmaids at my first wedding was an orthodox Jew - and she loved being a part of a Christian wedding - as did the rest of her family. In my experience, if a Jew accepts you as a friend, then you are as one of the family and you are a friend for life. I love them. As friends, they are the kindest and the most caring people you could wish to meet. I have two complaints against them though. At weddings or Bar Mitzvahs, they toast Israel - a country that many have them have never been anywhere near, and although I understand why they do it, it sort of rubs with my English identity! Having said that, they do toast the Queen too, so that helps a bit! The other complaint is that after sitting at their table and enjoying a wonderful steak (great hosts the Jews!), they prefer me not to have cream with my coffee! (But since I respect them and their homes, I wouldn't dream of making an issue of it, so that's just between us. Black will be just fine). ;o)
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Hi Lonnie, you were talking to people who were just plain prejudiced. Both politics and religion do funny things to people's minds - and mixed they can produce a plethora of irrationality. I haven't met many ultra-orthodox Jews, for obvious reasons, but I've known several orthodox Jews, some of whom have been my good friends for many years. In fact one of my bridesmaids at my first wedding was an orthodox Jew - and she loved being a part of a Christian wedding - as did the rest of her family. In my experience, if a Jew accepts you as a friend, then you are as one of the family and you are a friend for life. I love them. As friends, they are the kindest and the most caring people you could wish to meet. I have two complaints against them though. At weddings or Bar Mitzvahs, they toast Israel - a country that many have them have never been anywhere near, and although I understand why they do it, it sort of rubs with my English identity! Having said that, they do toast the Queen too, so that helps a bit! The other complaint is that after sitting at their table and enjoying a wonderful steak (great hosts the Jews!), they prefer me not to have cream with my coffee! (But since I respect them and their homes, I wouldn't dream of making an issue of it, so that's just between us. Black will be just fine). ;o)
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