Muslim Beliefs

[grasscarp]

With Muslims in the UK establishing their own schools, one wonders how their children will acquire our values and be able to integrate into our society

An MP recently attended a training session where there was a presentation by three speakers from the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained their beliefs. He asked the Imam about the fact that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a Holy War against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel they earn a place in heaven. He asked “can you give me the definition of an infidel?’

There was no disagreement with my statement and, without hesitation he replied, ‘Non-believers!’ The MP told him that he had a problem with being his ‘friend’ when he and his brother clerics are telling followers to kill him

Perhaps some muslims reading this would like to comment on their beliefs and how they can expect to be welcomed and integrated among people that they have orders to kill!.

[naomi24]

Ankou, firstly I never use the straw man argument, and secondly it seems I am not the only one at a loss to understand what you mean, so just for once, have the gumption to put your money where your mouth is and tell me what you're talking about.

[suzie1]

they have other issues naomi and ankou

[naomi24]

Well we seem to, Suzie, but I have no idea what they are.

[Ankou]

hello jack, yes i see where you are coming from and really that is what i was trying to explore. muslims acquiring our values. i can see the question, but my sentiment was, what are these ‘values’ that they should acquire (by not having separate schools) are they the ‘good and lovely’ christian ones that are taught in our schools ?

if the focus is primarily on the debauchery, binge drinking, promiscuousness and bawdry behaviour of your general racist sink estate thug, then why should they acquire them. i have seen keypluses ramblings on these issues.

[suzie1]

ankou is right ankou 1 naomi nil

[suzie1]

where is keyplus, do they not want to comment

[Ankou]

lol suzie you tease.

had any bad luck today ?

[suzie1]

no bad luck as of yet, still loads of day/nite left, it could happen anytime ankou, but i better brase myself if naomi gets peed off with me, that will be enuf bad luck for the day......lolololmfao

[naomi24]

Gee, thanks Suzie. You've clearly been following the posts closely. ;o)

Keyplus usually pops in sometime.

[suzie1]

ur both nice though ankou and naomi- im just having a laugh

[jackthehat]

Ankou - I don't think naomi mentioned any particular 'values' which should or shouldn't be acquired.
I think she just pointed out that there was a question to be debated.
Your avowed 'sentiment' got a little lost in your combative posts at naomi; I think you'll find that she eschews happy, clappy, Christian-schools' teachings in the same manner as other faith-schools teachings..........
And yes, why acquire the less desirable traits ? This is the heart of the question............

Where do we draw the line in our hopes for integration ? Where can we establish a meeting of minds ?

[grasscarp]

Why would anybody want to setlle in and bring up their children in a country with such questionable values and/or morals, schools that they don't want to attend, dreadful weather etc?

[Androcles]

Here is an interesting contribution to the debate on faith schools from a Hindu:

http://www.sloughobse...-by-religious-leader/

[suzie1]

pakistan is a nice country to live in but its run very badly and the politicians/law are crupt, otherwise its nice, weather is good, have housekeepers, cooks, drivers etc, your like royalty if you have a bit of money, i should be allowed to run that country, id do a better job than that illiterate prat......and they have good beliefs, its not true that muslims should kill people that dont follow their religion, or kill people that critisise it. The people( illiterate prats) themselves have made up their own rules that they would like to follow and impose on others, and the real muslim would not bomb people or kill someone, and follow that rule, he/she would respect others and get on with wat life throws at them, as this is not our real place, we have to meet our maker someday.

[Ankou]

jack, in the article provided by androcles there is a quote:

“i believe that faith schools promote exclusiveness and this is not a good thing for our children. the best educational institutions are the ones which cater to the educational needs of students irrespective of religion, faith or nationality. that is multi-culturalism in the right sense.”

i completely agree with that. but where do these ‘values’ that we will teach them come into it ?

a quick glance of the british cultural values espoused in the news section, would tell you that your average white anglo saxon hunter gatherer has no desire or ambition to embrace this multi-culturalism and this is ever more evident in those estates where tensions are high and it is apparently ‘safer’ to segregate.

anyhow, its friday and i’am off to the pub. have a good’un one and all.

[suzie1]

enjoy your nite ankou, looks like naomi has driven you to drink..........:-)

[123everton]

We all raise our children the way we see fit, provided these children are not being abused or turned into criminals then who are we to judge as people of faith or none?
What are the values they will need to acquire to integrate into our society?
That's the question that has been asked repeatedly, for which we are still awaiting an answer.
The reality is that the values I hold dear are alien to others, for example, I went to union meeting last night there was only 1 item on the agenda (27 redundancies) I said no redundancies whilst we have overtime available (we do) the one who get the overtime said and I quote "I come here to make money, not friends".
Similarly Jack many values you espouse would be an anaethema to others, the question is quite simple, what values should Muslims aspire or acquire in order to integrate successfully?
Should they dress like us, drink like us, cuss like us, swear like us, drive like us, marry like us, cohabit like us, f u c k like us, raise their kids like us?
I'll try again (you never know) what does it take to be a good Muslim in this secular country?
Maybe they should all go back where they belong?

[jackthehat]

That's a debate for another time, Ankou..............
But in the broader context of this question, vociferously jumping on naomi's postings for pointing out that there was this very question hanging in the air, served no-one.

Have a good 'un...................and one for me :o)

[suzie1]

if they went back this country would get bored...are you a racist

[123everton]

"One" should be plural, there's loads of overtime going in our place.