Muslim Beliefs

[grasscarp]

With Muslims in the UK establishing their own schools, one wonders how their children will acquire our values and be able to integrate into our society

An MP recently attended a training session where there was a presentation by three speakers from the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained their beliefs. He asked the Imam about the fact that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a Holy War against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel they earn a place in heaven. He asked “can you give me the definition of an infidel?’

There was no disagreement with my statement and, without hesitation he replied, ‘Non-believers!’ The MP told him that he had a problem with being his ‘friend’ when he and his brother clerics are telling followers to kill him

Perhaps some muslims reading this would like to comment on their beliefs and how they can expect to be welcomed and integrated among people that they have orders to kill!.

[Sandy-Wroe]

Have most Imams and clerics of Islam really declared a Holy War against the infidels? First I've heard of it.

[grasscarp]

Me too Sandy, it is from John Harrison, MBE and if you google his name it is extensively reported on the internet.

[jake-the-peg]

Hmmm

Of course faked moon landings and other things are also "widely reported on the internet".

Look at the second post here:

http://forums.orange....curraffairs&tid=75970

I think you've been had!

I know a number of Muslims - I worked with one for 2 weeks sharing a hotel, living, working and relaxing with one.

Given this I can't imagine how I've managed to survive all this time.

|Really this is silly stuff - you just go and find a rent-a-gob religious nut and they'll say pretty much anything - Go talk to a rabbid-zionist or one of those barking US evangelists.

The problem is when people try to get people to believe that that is representative.

Is Ian Paisley representative of you and your beliefs?

[naomi24]

Since there was no disagreement with the statement, it doesn't appear the Imam was offended by the accusation. I wonder why?

[Ankou]

it is extensively reported as being partially (if not wholly) claptrap.

[grasscarp]

I agree that this seems to be fake, but some other websites are saying that the underlying message is in accordance with the Koran's teachings. I asked the AB Ed to remove my post for being a hoax story, but they have said that as this is being circulated there is no need to remove the discussion on it.

[naomi24]

Where did you get it from grasscarp? Do you have a link?

[grasscarp]

Hi Naomi. I was sent an email and took it at face value. However when I later googled - John Harrison muslims - I found the many websites that discuss the email that has been doing the rounds for ages.

[naomi24]

Ah, I see. Thanks grasscarp.

[Ankou]

of course it is in accordance with the korans teachings, when it was written every dude was fighting all the other dudes. so if you belonged to one gang, lets call it islam, gang rules say that you must fight them who is not in your gang and defend the honour and members of the gang that you are in.

by all accounts all the gangs of the time were doing it. some people have moved on to the 21st c, but we still have these noncey gang warfare and gang crimes on our streets. take the girls in birmingham who were shot in drive by shooting simply because one of them "dissed" a gang member.

no need to have your q removed though, still open for debate isnit.

[jake-the-peg]

The moral of the story is to trace stories to sources.

Don't take things at face value especially if they appeal to you

By the way I'm having some difficulty getting some money out of Nigeria - I'd be willing to split the procedes if anybody's up for helping me!

;c)

[naomi24]

Very good, Jake. :o)

[naomi24]

Actually, I still think you first paragraph makes a good question, grasscarp.

[Ankou]

"one wonders how their children will acquire our values and be able to integrate into our society"

its a bit fatiuous isnit ?

i can help jake, just email me your acount details, password, pin code and mothers maiden name for me to set up fund transfer.

[naomi24]

Ankou, if you mean fatuous, no it isn't really. Some Muslims don't want their children to acquire our values.

[Ankou]

can you explain 'our values' ?

[naomi24]

Ask a Muslim.

[Ankou]

i'm asking you.

if you don't know thats fair enough. it just demonstrates your fatuousness.

[naomi24]

I know you're asking me, but isn't me who objects to what Muslims perceive as our values, so best ask them.

[hc4361]

Ask our Jewish communities. They have had their own schools and laws in the UK for years.