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Ouija Boards......What do we think?
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Been following the ghosts and the paranormal thread with interest, so I thought we'd like a heated debate about this!
When I was about 17, (long, long time ago), I was persuaded to take part in consulting an ouija board. This took place at a flat converted from an Edwardian terraced house, which one of my friends had recently moved to with his new bride. She wanted nothing to do with it, and left us to it. One of our number had done this before, and took on the role of questioner. Immediately, he'd asked if any spirits were present, the glass shot to "Yes", and the 5 of us doing it s**t ourselves. When we'd calmed down, we continued, asking questions, and getting replies. When asked "When did you die" we got 5J as the answer, over and over, on asking "Do you mean January", the glass shot to Yes. We then decided that we would check whether our host was pushing the glass around by asking him to sit out. We then asked "What is the colour of the wallpaper in the bedroom". The glass stopped, as though someone had gone to have a look, and came back to spell out, not only the colour, but the pattern of the wallpaper. None of us at the table had ever been in that room. The glass then spelt "Tired" twice, and stopped dead. I have an open mind as to what might have happened that night, but I never want to try the ouija again. What do you think, AB'ers?
When I was about 17, (long, long time ago), I was persuaded to take part in consulting an ouija board. This took place at a flat converted from an Edwardian terraced house, which one of my friends had recently moved to with his new bride. She wanted nothing to do with it, and left us to it. One of our number had done this before, and took on the role of questioner. Immediately, he'd asked if any spirits were present, the glass shot to "Yes", and the 5 of us doing it s**t ourselves. When we'd calmed down, we continued, asking questions, and getting replies. When asked "When did you die" we got 5J as the answer, over and over, on asking "Do you mean January", the glass shot to Yes. We then decided that we would check whether our host was pushing the glass around by asking him to sit out. We then asked "What is the colour of the wallpaper in the bedroom". The glass stopped, as though someone had gone to have a look, and came back to spell out, not only the colour, but the pattern of the wallpaper. None of us at the table had ever been in that room. The glass then spelt "Tired" twice, and stopped dead. I have an open mind as to what might have happened that night, but I never want to try the ouija again. What do you think, AB'ers?
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Ummmm care to divulge further or is it something that you'd rather forget?
I remember when i was younger i had some friends and they told me that they had done this oija board in their house, i cant remember what was said but they did say that each night at exactly 3 in the morning a different family member was woken up by a black shadow that was floating above their beds, in the end they had to move out they said.
I remember when i was younger i had some friends and they told me that they had done this oija board in their house, i cant remember what was said but they did say that each night at exactly 3 in the morning a different family member was woken up by a black shadow that was floating above their beds, in the end they had to move out they said.
Hey! Here's a thought. To all those who think that Ouija Boards actually work - why not pack your board into a suitcase and yourself onto a plane and visit James Randi in the USA...
http://www.randi.org/...ge/challenge-faq.html
This guy is offering a cool $1,000,000 prize to anyone can demonstrate that the paranormal exists.
What are you waiting for?
http://www.randi.org/...ge/challenge-faq.html
This guy is offering a cool $1,000,000 prize to anyone can demonstrate that the paranormal exists.
What are you waiting for?
Naomi24 – “Perhaps [it's] for him to demonstrate that it [the paranormal] doesn't [exist]?”.
Surely you of all people know better than that. If you make an extraordinary claim then you need extraordinary evidence to back it up. The onus of responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of those making the claim of the existence of the paranormal.
Ellette - “Always interests and amuses me when people demand proof that something "doesn't" exist.”
It always amuses me when people like yourself make statements like the one above and cannot see the irony in it. If I said to you, “I've got fairies at the bottom of my garden. I've seen them. Prove me wrong!”. Do you think that would be a reasonable challenge?
Or do you think that the onus of responsibility would be upon me to provide evidence for my extraordinary claim?
Surely you of all people know better than that. If you make an extraordinary claim then you need extraordinary evidence to back it up. The onus of responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of those making the claim of the existence of the paranormal.
Ellette - “Always interests and amuses me when people demand proof that something "doesn't" exist.”
It always amuses me when people like yourself make statements like the one above and cannot see the irony in it. If I said to you, “I've got fairies at the bottom of my garden. I've seen them. Prove me wrong!”. Do you think that would be a reasonable challenge?
Or do you think that the onus of responsibility would be upon me to provide evidence for my extraordinary claim?
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Birdie, you quoted me but you missed my little wink. ;o)
The way I see it, as with sightings of 'ghosts', and experiences of 'ghostly' goings on, millions of people have reported these incidents - in fact I've witnessed them myself - and although in many instances Chakka's explanation is no doubt correct, there are examples such as the one I've given which really cannot be explained by any 'rational' means. I can't prove it happens, and I can't say what causes it - but I know it happens, and in my opinion there is something going on here that we just don't understand. . Therefore it would be extremely silly of me, not to say dishonest, to deny that simply because I don't believe that anything is 'supernatural', or because I may be considered a fool by those who, in reality, know no more than I do but nevertheless presume to tell me it's all bunkum. Quite simply, no one knows, and consequently no one who sincerely seeks the truth can possibly dismiss it as nonsense until its proven to be nonsense.
Luna, for me it would have to be via the clattering of a ghostly keyboard. ;o)
The way I see it, as with sightings of 'ghosts', and experiences of 'ghostly' goings on, millions of people have reported these incidents - in fact I've witnessed them myself - and although in many instances Chakka's explanation is no doubt correct, there are examples such as the one I've given which really cannot be explained by any 'rational' means. I can't prove it happens, and I can't say what causes it - but I know it happens, and in my opinion there is something going on here that we just don't understand. . Therefore it would be extremely silly of me, not to say dishonest, to deny that simply because I don't believe that anything is 'supernatural', or because I may be considered a fool by those who, in reality, know no more than I do but nevertheless presume to tell me it's all bunkum. Quite simply, no one knows, and consequently no one who sincerely seeks the truth can possibly dismiss it as nonsense until its proven to be nonsense.
Luna, for me it would have to be via the clattering of a ghostly keyboard. ;o)
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Birdie, have you misinterpreted me? Because yes, the onus would indeed be on you to back up your faries claim. What I meant was, I'm amused when people make far-out claims and challenge others to "prove" them wrong. I thought that was clear, but now I've been frowning at my post and wondering if it somehow isn't.
The same goes for the Randi thing - it definitely is the case that those who make claims for supernatural happenings have the burden of proof on them. It's simplistic and misleading to try to reverse that - i.e. to say there has to be 'proof' that it's nonsense. Eliminating those cases where there is a clear explanation, all we can do is accept it remains unproven until it is proven. The testimonies of these millions of people don't really mean anything without knowing who of them is simply mistaken, or misinterpreting some other phenomenon, or plain making it up. Eliminating all those will leave some where there is not yet any tangible explanation, and if you choose to then leap from that to saying the cause is therefore supernatural, that's your choice. I think it's an unfortunate choice though.
The same goes for the Randi thing - it definitely is the case that those who make claims for supernatural happenings have the burden of proof on them. It's simplistic and misleading to try to reverse that - i.e. to say there has to be 'proof' that it's nonsense. Eliminating those cases where there is a clear explanation, all we can do is accept it remains unproven until it is proven. The testimonies of these millions of people don't really mean anything without knowing who of them is simply mistaken, or misinterpreting some other phenomenon, or plain making it up. Eliminating all those will leave some where there is not yet any tangible explanation, and if you choose to then leap from that to saying the cause is therefore supernatural, that's your choice. I think it's an unfortunate choice though.
@ docspock "If the dead can talk to us why are there many unsolved murders. "
Yes, when I hear about psychics, mediums, seances etc, the 'dead' never say anything interesting do they? It's always really mundane stuff, never a description of what death is actually like or, as you say, who killed them.
Yes, when I hear about psychics, mediums, seances etc, the 'dead' never say anything interesting do they? It's always really mundane stuff, never a description of what death is actually like or, as you say, who killed them.
Naomi24 – I stand by my earlier post because of your later quote - “Quite simply, no one knows, and consequently no one who sincerely seeks the truth can possibly dismiss it as nonsense until its proven to be nonsense”
You seem to be coming at this the wrong way. You're suggesting that the reality of after-death telekinesis is a very real possibility and that it must be 'proven' wrong before it is dismissed as bunk. Your phrase, “... until it is proven to be nonsense” is exactly the kind of inverted logic that I was alluding to earlier.
It is not necessary for science to 'prove' the theory nonsense – if the theory is to be taken seriously, it's case must be made by those who wish to 'prove' the phenomena by providing the necessary convincing evidence or by demonstrating the effect under strict test conditions. This is how things are 'proven' to be true or false.
It is completely valid to dismiss as nonsense a fantastic claim when there is no evidence whatsoever to support it.
Sorry Naomi, but whilst I respect your views on a great deal of subjects I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one! ;-)
You seem to be coming at this the wrong way. You're suggesting that the reality of after-death telekinesis is a very real possibility and that it must be 'proven' wrong before it is dismissed as bunk. Your phrase, “... until it is proven to be nonsense” is exactly the kind of inverted logic that I was alluding to earlier.
It is not necessary for science to 'prove' the theory nonsense – if the theory is to be taken seriously, it's case must be made by those who wish to 'prove' the phenomena by providing the necessary convincing evidence or by demonstrating the effect under strict test conditions. This is how things are 'proven' to be true or false.
It is completely valid to dismiss as nonsense a fantastic claim when there is no evidence whatsoever to support it.
Sorry Naomi, but whilst I respect your views on a great deal of subjects I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one! ;-)
