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no baiting no arguments wanted! Just genuinely interested in what your thoughts are on drawing muhammed.
Someone else (who is muslin) has said that it is not forbidden to draw him?
can you let me know your views and if there is a general consensus on what the rules are
thank you
Someone else (who is muslin) has said that it is not forbidden to draw him?
can you let me know your views and if there is a general consensus on what the rules are
thank you
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Ankou, you pick on people here continually, and I detest bullies, so if you can't take it, don't give it.
Now let's get on with the discussion.
Tweaker, this:
//Islamic tradition or Hadith, the stories of the words and actions of Muhammad and his Companions, explicitly prohibits images of Allah, Muhammad and all the major prophets of the Christian and Jewish traditions. //
from here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk...ddle_east/4674864.stm
Now let's get on with the discussion.
Tweaker, this:
//Islamic tradition or Hadith, the stories of the words and actions of Muhammad and his Companions, explicitly prohibits images of Allah, Muhammad and all the major prophets of the Christian and Jewish traditions. //
from here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk...ddle_east/4674864.stm
237SJ- Yes it is true that to be a Muslim you have to believe in all of the prophets including Jesus, Moses, David and so on. That is part of the basic faith and you can not be a Muslim if you deny anyone of them.
Sherminator – One thing I could never understand. People talk about freedom of speech. If I deny holocaust or even if I do not agree with the scale of it then I can be arrested in few countries. So what happened to my freedom of speech? Western people want to use freedom to insult a specific person who they have never seen. Muslims are against that. So where do we agree? I believe if someone is so desperate to use his / her freedom of speech then they should not be worried about others using theirs to say that these people should be beheaded. After all they are just using their freedom of speech and are not really beheading anyone. However if few do go on to behead someone then the law of the country should punish him. One who got beheaded should not be disappointed as he died for a reason he /she believed in so desperately and the one who beheaded him/her should not be worried about what punishment he / she would get for murdering someone as in his mind he did what he thought was right.
Sherminator – One thing I could never understand. People talk about freedom of speech. If I deny holocaust or even if I do not agree with the scale of it then I can be arrested in few countries. So what happened to my freedom of speech? Western people want to use freedom to insult a specific person who they have never seen. Muslims are against that. So where do we agree? I believe if someone is so desperate to use his / her freedom of speech then they should not be worried about others using theirs to say that these people should be beheaded. After all they are just using their freedom of speech and are not really beheading anyone. However if few do go on to behead someone then the law of the country should punish him. One who got beheaded should not be disappointed as he died for a reason he /she believed in so desperately and the one who beheaded him/her should not be worried about what punishment he / she would get for murdering someone as in his mind he did what he thought was right.
Key plus your fiest point is a cotradiction:
'One thing I could never understand. People talk about freedom of speech. If I deny holocaust or even if I do not agree with the scale of it then I can be arrested in few countries. So what happened to my freedom of speech?'
i think you have just used a very poor example there as that country obviously doesnt have freedom of speech and therefore you broke the rules of the land! and therefore should be punished
2nd- I said i dint want an argument with you and I stand by that BUT
the Holocaust is a documented provable offence that to deny could cause GREAT offence to millions of people and although you have free speech in this county it would be unwise to use it in your example.
Then take drawing Muhammed. Like it or not there is not a shred of evidence that Allah was real and that makes people being ruled by the laws of a god that there is no evidence for VERY hard to grasp for a lot of people! Now I can understand if you want to be a Muslim then you must follow the rules( i also dont believe that following a religion should necessarily involve state law) But you cannot expect people of a differing religion, or of no religion to follow those rules as well!
'One thing I could never understand. People talk about freedom of speech. If I deny holocaust or even if I do not agree with the scale of it then I can be arrested in few countries. So what happened to my freedom of speech?'
i think you have just used a very poor example there as that country obviously doesnt have freedom of speech and therefore you broke the rules of the land! and therefore should be punished
2nd- I said i dint want an argument with you and I stand by that BUT
the Holocaust is a documented provable offence that to deny could cause GREAT offence to millions of people and although you have free speech in this county it would be unwise to use it in your example.
Then take drawing Muhammed. Like it or not there is not a shred of evidence that Allah was real and that makes people being ruled by the laws of a god that there is no evidence for VERY hard to grasp for a lot of people! Now I can understand if you want to be a Muslim then you must follow the rules( i also dont believe that following a religion should necessarily involve state law) But you cannot expect people of a differing religion, or of no religion to follow those rules as well!
Keyplus, //If I deny holocaust or even if I do not agree with the scale of it then I can be arrested in few countries. So what happened to my freedom of speech?//
A flawed argument. Unlike Islam, the countries in which that law applies don't attempt to force it onto the rest of the world, and therefore you can deny the holocaust with impunity in countries where the law doesn't exist. And since you mention it, your denial is rather more than an insult to those who died in the holocaust, and to the survivors. Take a trip to one of the Holocaust Museums and educate yourself. You don't know what you're talking about.
The rest of your post is so disgustingly unsavoury, Keyplus, I don't even want to read it again tonight.
A flawed argument. Unlike Islam, the countries in which that law applies don't attempt to force it onto the rest of the world, and therefore you can deny the holocaust with impunity in countries where the law doesn't exist. And since you mention it, your denial is rather more than an insult to those who died in the holocaust, and to the survivors. Take a trip to one of the Holocaust Museums and educate yourself. You don't know what you're talking about.
The rest of your post is so disgustingly unsavoury, Keyplus, I don't even want to read it again tonight.
