Richard Dawkins - Faith School Menace?

[naomi24]

Did anyone else see this on Wednesday night? One in three of our schools are now faith schools funded by the tax payer, but in the area of religious education not only do some of them teach the subject for up to four times longer each week than other schools, they are left to do their own thing and have their own regulators. Additionally, the Islamic school taught creationism and a version of evolution but left the students to make up their own minds on which was true. Needless to say when asked all, without exception, said they believed the Koran‘s version - and alarmingly their Science teacher said the same. Can you imagine the ‘make your own mind up' scenario being applied to any other subject - and that being acceptable to any school that cares about the standard of education it offers, or more particularly to a government that sets a national curriculum? Religion demands that we close our eyes to its failings - and because it demands it, we do it regardless of the effect it has on future generations.

Your thoughts?

[sherminator]

Im sure i also got keplus to admit that allah couldnt count the planets in our solar system as Allah thinks there are 10 when in reality there are 8!
Do you really trust a god who cant count to 8 properly?

I know thats a rather simple argument compared to naomi's and Waldo's but hopefully he will start to realise that his book is wrong!

[jake-the-peg]

So Waldo having a doctorate in maths do tell me if two paralell lines ever meet

;c)

[WaldoMcFroog]

I don't actually have a doctorate in mathematics - it was just for illustration purposes - but as I understand it, not in a Euclidean plane. ;-)

[keyplus90]

///I have a doctorate in mathematics. I say 2+2=5///

If you say so after you have a doctorate in mathematics then even a nursery child will have doubts either about your doctorate or your mental health. But either way they will not believe you.

Seems like someone has pressed panic button there and has called for extra help. But unfortunately the expert called has his own unsolved problems. Believe in what you like and deny even the experts of their fields if they say against what you believe in. Well done Waldo, I did say once that you may be a first class level cricketer among club levels and as you are better than they are, you started believing that you are better than the one who are playing at International level too. What a shame.
But fortunately (as said before) I call in heating engineer when I have problem with my boiler and go to doctor when I am not feeling well. I do not trust my GP with my boiler nor do I trust heating engineer when it comes to write me a prescription.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Yeah, the atheists shone a big searchlight in the sky with my avatar on it and I came running to their aid (like they need it). Or possibly I responded to a post on a site I've used regularly since 2001.

One of the two, definitely. Not sure which one.

Good to see the point whistled over your head like usual. OK, I'm going to see if I can use even smaller words to express the same idea.

"Dr Naik is the person claiming 2+2=5."

Understand what I'm saying now..?

[sherminator]

Who's ready for a Keyplus Logic Fail!!!!!!!!!!!....
'But fortunately (as said before) I call in heating engineer when I have problem with my boiler and go to doctor when I am not feeling well. I do not trust my GP with my boiler nor do I trust heating engineer when it comes to write me a prescription.'

So why do you trust THIS scientist Keyplus?....Because he agrees with YOU! Thats the only thing I bet you have checked out! Not his credentials or other comments or his education and facts but the fact that he agrees with you! And that my friend is EXACTLY the reason why you don't have a clue about science, or the scientific approach!

[piggynose]

is this a religious debate or muslim bashing?

[mibn2cweus]

As is typically the case in the debate of a contentious subject, such as religion is by its very nature, you need to follow the thread carefully to have any hope of determining who is the bash-er and who are the bash-ees.

[naomi24]

Eddie, take your pick of discussion points from the verses of the Koran. If you're talking scientific errors there are plenty to choose from.

Keyplus, can you not see how ridiculous you are? What do you offer to support your book's erroneous claim? The latest research by world class scientists? No! Yet again you wheel out the same 30 year old film you've prattled on about since you joined AB of a man who, at the time of the recording, was in the employ of the Saudis, and who subsequently contradicted his statement. In fact the Islamic edition of his book is not even available in western medical libraries because the information it contains is confirmed by Keith Moore's other works to be incorrect. Ask yourself why no credible scientist on this planet - including the Muslim ones - and Keith Moore himself - concur with that old film. There is only one answer. Because like your book, the information it contains is totally and utterly wrong.

With regard to the earth moving, since I provided the texts you requested, it should be obvious even to you that I am quite aware they do not contain the word 'earthquake'. As for the rest, Waldo's said it all admirably.

Shermi, you are right. Keyplus doesn't seek truth.

Mibs, precisely.

[naomi24]

//As for the rest, Waldo's said it all admirably.//

On second thoughts I don't expect that to be enough for Keyplus from me, so I'll elaborate. 'Quran on Mountains' is just another example of Islam's penchant for outrageously hijacking anything it sees as being potentially useful to its cause, but again it makes yet another thundering blunder.

Directly from that website, the Koran states:

And he has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you.

It does.

[Nadis]

If the info from keyplus is elaborated, twisted, made-up more often than not and to put it bluntly wrong on more accounts than anyone can remember. Goading answerbankers into muslim infatuated posts with taunts, misconceptions, insults to people and generally upsetting those involved then why does everyone continue to play his game.
How many times have you been over the same ground and got nowhere, how many times have you tried to make him see sense and it falls on deaf ears. Do you think if you keep returning with facts to his ridiculousness that a light bulb will suddenly shine above his head.
The energy spent trying to make him see sense could light the national grid.
He'll turn the argument around, " Try and get rid of me" he'll reply with.
You'd get more sense from the goat standing on the bricks in his avatar.
But who am I to stop your fun, "Carry On with Keyplus" what a great name for a movie.

[Nadis]

I mentioned in two posts about my job connected to faith schools and realised after being told, my priorities regarding the question at hand were askew. I took the hint and moved on. After numerous posts from keyplus talking twaddle he continues to not take the hint and is still here.

[keyplus90]

100% as expected.

[Joolee1980]

Did anyone ever see the Chris Morris show Jam? It had a sketch in which pathologically stupid people were hired by employers who wanted to infuriate anyone they had a disagreement with. They would dispatch the stupid person to deal with the opponent, who would eventually just give up as they simply couldn't get anywhere due to the person being so inpenetrably thick.

Sorry - not sure why I brought that up...

[naomi24]

Keyplus, yes of course it's 100% as expected because yet again your arguments have been totally demolished by reason and truth. Oddly enough it turns out that the fairy tale of Allah and his mountains has ultimately provided the simplest proof that your book is wrong. He pegged the earth down with mountains so that it wouldn't shake - but it shakes and therefore is is quite clear that his peg plan doesn't work. End of story.

[RoyH]

I haven't checked this thread out for a while, but it seems to have drifted some way from the original question about Dawkins and faith schools, and become a slagging match between immoveable forces and irresistible objects. There is no possibility of either side of this debate ever conceding defeat, so you might as well go and bang your heads against a brick wall instead. All you will end up with is a headache. I found out long ago that there's really no point in appealing to religion in support of science, or in appealing to science in defence of religion. The two things are incompatible. Science is evidence-based and religion is faith-based, and there is no common ground between them. They are completely different ways of making sense of the world. Just in case you're wondering - I'm on the side of science, but I won't be attacking the other side - I've already got a headache.

[RoyH]

I meant immoveable objects and irresistible forces - but it probably works the other way too.