I am disgusted

[soaps]

Pope John Paul II.This man presided over a clerical abuse coverup and contributed to an AIDS epidemic. And now they want to make him a saint?

[NOX]

Squad stop being intentionally obtuse, you know exactly what we both mean- the wife is religious and considers it her duty to have sex with ehrnhusband when he requires it without a condom- that's pretty much the Catholic rhetoric going on in Afirca- is that clear enough for you? I appreciate you have no experience of being Catholic but a lot of Catholics take what the Pope says very seriously and the more cynical amongst them can use that to their own advantage- and they do.

[NOX]

I think it's a wind up now Ummm and I don't have time for it- see yous all later:)

[Sqad]

NOX....oh! dear......no......it´s not a windup.

[ummmm]

Looks like it Sqad...you are intelligent enough to understand what we are saying.

[Sqad]

ummmm.

Do you really think, that for whatever reason, the husband wanted to use a condom, he would consider the religion of his wife?

[ummmm]

Probably not....but we're not talking about husbands that want to wear a condom

[Sqad]

OK...then it is NOT religion that is at fault....it is personal attitudes.

[ummmm]

Sqad - you're making me cry...

It is religion if they do not wear a condom because the Pope has told them not to.

[Sqad]

ummmm....I can´t bear to see you crying............you are right my darling.

[ummmm]

Lol...thank you :-) x

[ummmm]

Pork pie on a Friday....That's a big no no..!!

[ummmm]

I was joking...but I still don't eat meat on a Friday.

[ummmm]

Kids school don't serve meat on a Friday either...

[naomi24]

I honestly think education is not only being stifled by the Church, it is being completely disregarded. A friend of mine, a doctor working in South Africa, visits townships. She told one of her Aids patients not to have sex with anyone because if he did, he would give the disease to the other person. Three weeks later she saw him again and asked if he'd had sex with anyone. He said he had. When she asked why he replied he did it because she'd said that if he had sex he would *give* the disease to the partner - and his logic told him that if he *gave* the disease to the partner, he would no longer have it. THAT is the mentality the church is dealing with - and messing with. Shameful!

[Sqad]

naomi....that was my point, but ummmm and NOX got the "hump"

My point being, as you said, it isnt the CHURCH but the people.s attitude.

When NOX and ummmm reappears.....you take over naomi.....I,m knackered.

[237SJ]

It`s all a load of cassocks!

[naomi24]

Sqad, please don't misrepresent me. I most certainly didn't say it isn't the church. Quite the opposite in fact. It is the church, my point being that people who are brainwashed from birth with medieval superstition and purposefully denied factual education cannot be blamed for being superstitious or for lacking in education. The church has much to answer for.

[ummmm]

I was going to point that out to him Naomi....but thought I'd wait for you to a better job of it :-)