Horse Racing

[grumpy01]

Any kind person know where I can find a list of the winners of the 5 Classic races run in England and the SP's.

[Graham-W]

Grand National winners and odds here: http://www.grand-national-guide.co.uk/previous-winners.php

[Graham-W]

Recent Epsom Derby winners and odds here: http://epsom-derby.betting-directory.com/derby-winners.php

[grumpy01]

Thanks Graham but the classics are,2,000 and 1,000 Guineas,The Derby,The Oaks and St. Leger.

[Graham-W]

Same for 2000 guineas: http://www.2000guineas.org/past-winners.html

[tonyav]

Past St Ledger winners. http://www.donny.co.uk/Doncaster/news/index.php3?ID=348

[Graham-W]

1000 guineas: http://www.1000guineas.org/past-winners.html

[Graham-W]

Oaks here: http://www.epsom-oaks.com/past-winners.html

[Buenchico]

How far do you want to go back?

All 2000 Guineas
http://www.racingbetter.co.uk/races/newmarket/2000_guineas_winners.html
(SPs available back as far as 2004 by clicking on the links)

All 1000 Guineas
http://www.racingbetter.co.uk/races/newmarket/1000_guineas_winners.html
(Ditto for SPs).

All Derby:
http://www.racingbetter.co.uk/races/derby/winners.html
(Ditto for SPs)

Oaks from 2004 (click links for details, inc SPs):
http://www.racingbetter.co.uk/epsom_derby/oaks_entries.html

St Leger from 2006 (click links for details, inc SPs):
http://www.racingbetter.co.uk/race/doncaster/st_leger.html

(If you need earlier winners for the last two, but without the SPs, they're on Wikipedia).

[grumpy01]

Thanks all but am looking for the first ever 100/1 winner of one of the classics.

[Buenchico]

Possibly Jeddah (Derby, 1896)?

[grumpy01]

Yes that's what I thought it maybe but am having doubts.

[Buenchico]

I'm wondering if there can actually be a definitive answer to your question anyway, Grumpy.

The 'starting price' for a horse is determined either by consensus among on-course bookmakers or by averaging the odds offered by them. I suspect that in the 18th century, on-course bookmakers will have operated largely independently of each other and that nobody will have collated the odds offered by different bookmakers, meaning that there was no such thing as an 'official' starting price in those days.

[inksplotter]

So you'd back a horse at 100-1, it will amazingly come in, but the bookmaker would have suddenly disappeared?

[inksplotter]

If you studied a horse's form on previous races, you could work it out. But it would require a great amount of research.