French In Surrender Mode Once Again.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/647381/Calais-migrants-refugees-violence-French-port-town-Jungle-camp-eviction-halted

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/647381/Calais-migrants-refugees-violence-French-port-town-Jungle-camp-eviction-halted

Once more the French have carried out a 'U' turn in their effort to bulldoze part of the Calais jungle.

Who much longer are the people of Calais going accept the total destruction of their town?

[DTCwordfan]

Use of 'Abandonner' in its various formats (tenses) is the most common command in the French military service

[Zacs-Master]

LOL (again).

[ichkeria]

"se rendre" is correct: it means literally "give yourself in"

"s'abandonner" means "surrender" as in "abandon oneself to" a desire etc

[jim360]

Thanks retrochic -- I was sceptical about "se rendre" for surrender, although I suspect that the former is the origin of the English word so it probably is justifiable (or was 500 years or so ago) -- I would have gone for abandonner or capituler myself.

But anyway.

[ichkeria]

"abandonner" refers to desertion

[New Judge]

Moving away from French grammar for a moment:

"It's not automatic that the LeTouquet treaty would dissolve if there was a brexit and with Eurotunnel and the ferries being liable to a €2700 fine for each unauthorised passenger, it SHOULD be self policing. "

It most certainly is not automatic. Firstly the agreement is a bilateral agreement between the UK and France. It has nothing to do with the EU. (Incredible as it may seem, agreements can be reached outside the auspices of the EU).

But further than that, Calais has invested heavily in its port in recent years and has recently announced a further £600m plan. There are ways other than via Calais to cross the channel. If the problem becomes too great for users to use that port they will move elsewhere. It is not in France's interest to abandon the Le Touquet Agreement and it is unlikely it will be ditched in the event of a Brexit.

The matter of policing may well revert to the operators in the unlikely event of the agreement being abandoned. It will increase their costs but the UK government can assist them by using a small amount of the money currently being squandered on our EU membership fees.

[Zacs-Master]

'It most certainly is not automatic.'

Well, Erm, thanks for that.

[Togo]

I am reading this morning that a court in Lille has approved the evacuation and demolition of the southern part of called 'Jungle'. Force will be used in the evacuation if necessary (if?), said a spokesman for the Pas de Calais prefect's office. It is expected to take place early next week. Up to 3,500 people are in the camp and are trying to get to Britain to claim asylum. All that will be left is an official camp of converted containers. But the migrants refuse to use the containers because they have to offer handprints to security guards to get inside. The clue of course being in the last phrase. They do not want to be identifiable, they wish to get here anonymously, also having registered at that facility they are not qualified to claim asylum in Britain. It could be proved that Britain was not their first opportunity in EU territory to claim asylum, as is the requirement. It is an invasion.

[dave50]

Can someone please explain why they dont want to settle in France? This question is never asked on any news program about this subject?

[New Judge]

"Can someone please explain why they dont want to settle in France? "

The main reasons given (officially) are language and family ties. Unofficially, when migrants are interviewed in places like Calais they suggest they want to come to England because they know they will get a house and good healthcare.

And Togo is exactly right. As I have explained countless times before, refugees claiming asylum must do so in the first safe country they arrive. For those from Calais who smuggle themselves here that is not the UK and almost certainly not France. As a result those in Calais are not refugees or asylum seekers (they forfeited that status when they failed to report to the authorities in their first safe haven). They are illegal immigrants.

Seemingly on the ropes with his argument about whether the UK will be better off economically or not if it left the EU, the PM has turned his argument to the security question, suggesting that the UK is safer in the EU than outside. The EU has demonstrated that it is singularly unable to provide security for its extenal borders. This, together with its breathtakingly irresponsible abolition of internal border control has led to the situation prevailing in Calais today.

[Togo]

Here's a thought Judge. Just say the French manage to fill up all these 'converted' containers. How easy could it be to lift them onto container lorries, transport the containers to container ships.....and ship them to Falmouth.