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Leave Campaign Promises
Irrespective of how you voted, does anyone share my concerns about the way the Leave campaign has backtracked on pledges regarding immigration and money for the NHS? Nigel Farage described the £350 million for the NHS as a 'mistake'. I am deeply concerned that people have been misled.
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Just one of the reports
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Probably the reason the why the vague thread was removed
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Probably the reason the why the vague thread was removed
Here's an example of racist, anti-Polish behavior :::::
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( Det Supt Martin Brunning said: "The production and distribution of this and any other similar material is committing the crime of inciting racial hatred which carries a maximum sentence of seven years in prison.
"Any reports of hate crime in the county will be fully investigated and it is vitally important that anyone who has received these leaflets or suffered similar abuse reports it." )
JURCZY started a thread on here at the weekend, about "vermin" I wonder if these were the "vermin he meant?
By the way, I can't get that thread to load ?
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( Det Supt Martin Brunning said: "The production and distribution of this and any other similar material is committing the crime of inciting racial hatred which carries a maximum sentence of seven years in prison.
"Any reports of hate crime in the county will be fully investigated and it is vitally important that anyone who has received these leaflets or suffered similar abuse reports it." )
JURCZY started a thread on here at the weekend, about "vermin" I wonder if these were the "vermin he meant?
By the way, I can't get that thread to load ?
"...and it was made quite clear that any unnecessary faffing about will only make things worse in the short term. "
I absolutely agree Mikey. Mr Cameron has abrogated his responsibilities in the most serious way. The letter declaring the UK's intention to leave should have been prepared ready for Friday morning. It could then have been either posted or destroyed. The argument that "preliminary discussions" need to take place before our decision is formalised is nonsense. The decision is not dependent on those discussions being successful or otherwise. The secondary argument that to delay implementing Article 50 will give us more than two years to negotiate is also nonsense. Article 50 allows for an extension to that period if necessary.
I do not share Mesnilpat’s concern that the people have been misled. This campaign was conducted by politicians and that’s what they do best. Both sides were guilty of scaremongering and misleading the electorate. Most people I know were not influenced by some of the errant nonsense that was spouted by both sides. No, my concern is that the clear will of the people is being thwarted by stealth. The campaign and the vote is over; the cries of “foul” were many and various before the vote; the electorate had to sort the wheat from the chaff, as it always does on such occasions.
The current PM is Mr Cameron. The fact that he has thrown his toys from the pram and that Mrs Cameron is angry with her friends because they assured her that “…this [a vote to leave] could not possibly happen” (and she will subsequently lose her £52k p.a. “dresser”) is completely irrelevant. We were told the result of the referendum would be final and binding and that they would be acted upon forthwith. There was no caveat that said “provided it produced a ‘Remain’ vote”. The chaos in the Labour Party is of no consequence; the choosing of a new PM has no influence. There is no need for a General Election (PMs quite often go and come without the need for one). Mr Cameron is the Prime Minister; he called the referendum, he should act on its results and it is unreasonable (a) to delay what needs to be done and (b) to expect somebody else to do it. The views of the Scots and Londoners and younger people, whilst understandable, are of no relevance. Many people seem so conditioned to the EU way of doing these things (“vote again as the answer was not one we like”) that they seem to have forgotten (if they ever knew) what democracy is all about.
For the record I admire your stoicism in the face of what must have been a big disappointment for you as I know what a keen “Remainer” you are. I’d like to think I’d have shown the same fortitude if the result had gone the other way. One thing’s for sure – like you I would not be trying to concoct all manner of reasons why the vote should be ignored, or why there should be a re-run or why the result should not be swiftly acted upon. The country needs to get on and for now the details of our departure can wait. But our decision to leave needs to be made official – quickly.
I absolutely agree Mikey. Mr Cameron has abrogated his responsibilities in the most serious way. The letter declaring the UK's intention to leave should have been prepared ready for Friday morning. It could then have been either posted or destroyed. The argument that "preliminary discussions" need to take place before our decision is formalised is nonsense. The decision is not dependent on those discussions being successful or otherwise. The secondary argument that to delay implementing Article 50 will give us more than two years to negotiate is also nonsense. Article 50 allows for an extension to that period if necessary.
I do not share Mesnilpat’s concern that the people have been misled. This campaign was conducted by politicians and that’s what they do best. Both sides were guilty of scaremongering and misleading the electorate. Most people I know were not influenced by some of the errant nonsense that was spouted by both sides. No, my concern is that the clear will of the people is being thwarted by stealth. The campaign and the vote is over; the cries of “foul” were many and various before the vote; the electorate had to sort the wheat from the chaff, as it always does on such occasions.
The current PM is Mr Cameron. The fact that he has thrown his toys from the pram and that Mrs Cameron is angry with her friends because they assured her that “…this [a vote to leave] could not possibly happen” (and she will subsequently lose her £52k p.a. “dresser”) is completely irrelevant. We were told the result of the referendum would be final and binding and that they would be acted upon forthwith. There was no caveat that said “provided it produced a ‘Remain’ vote”. The chaos in the Labour Party is of no consequence; the choosing of a new PM has no influence. There is no need for a General Election (PMs quite often go and come without the need for one). Mr Cameron is the Prime Minister; he called the referendum, he should act on its results and it is unreasonable (a) to delay what needs to be done and (b) to expect somebody else to do it. The views of the Scots and Londoners and younger people, whilst understandable, are of no relevance. Many people seem so conditioned to the EU way of doing these things (“vote again as the answer was not one we like”) that they seem to have forgotten (if they ever knew) what democracy is all about.
For the record I admire your stoicism in the face of what must have been a big disappointment for you as I know what a keen “Remainer” you are. I’d like to think I’d have shown the same fortitude if the result had gone the other way. One thing’s for sure – like you I would not be trying to concoct all manner of reasons why the vote should be ignored, or why there should be a re-run or why the result should not be swiftly acted upon. The country needs to get on and for now the details of our departure can wait. But our decision to leave needs to be made official – quickly.
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