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The Result Of Too Much Right-On Liberalism?
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The loud mouthed self righteous Metropolitan 'elite' have for too long been able to inflict their minority views on the much larger populous, blasting those that disagree as Racists, Little Englanders and a host of other demeaning insults. Now across Europe we are seeing a worrying rise of the far right (and left).
Is it about time we put the right-on brigade in their place and put policies in place that reflect the views of the majority not a minority? OK, it means removing the Liberal 'elite' from the Police, Civil Service, Judiciary, the BBC and other such institutions and replacing them proportionality with people that represent the masses but surely that is preferable to the alternative?
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Is it about time we put the right-on brigade in their place and put policies in place that reflect the views of the majority not a minority? OK, it means removing the Liberal 'elite' from the Police, Civil Service, Judiciary, the BBC and other such institutions and replacing them proportionality with people that represent the masses but surely that is preferable to the alternative?
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SP, //I think that youngmafbog's idea for dealing with the rise of the far right is ridiculous….. What is your opinion on the proposed idea?//
I think there's a lot of truth in what he's saying – and I’m not point scoring – simply observing that you, Mikey, and andy-hughes have demonstrated that the OP’s opening sentence is accurate.
Andy-hughes, //My position is that the average Muslim, which is 99.9% of them, has no truck with extremism//
Your position is far from accurate. I’ve posted this before but you clearly ignored it so I’ll post it again. Perhaps then you’ll avoid making the same mistake time after time. (You don't need to be an expert on Islam to read it and understand it).
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I think there's a lot of truth in what he's saying – and I’m not point scoring – simply observing that you, Mikey, and andy-hughes have demonstrated that the OP’s opening sentence is accurate.
Andy-hughes, //My position is that the average Muslim, which is 99.9% of them, has no truck with extremism//
Your position is far from accurate. I’ve posted this before but you clearly ignored it so I’ll post it again. Perhaps then you’ll avoid making the same mistake time after time. (You don't need to be an expert on Islam to read it and understand it).
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I have to agree with you. The one thing no-one can accuse you of is point scoring on this thread.
Specifically, because you haven't.
And I did not ask you about the statement that youngmafbog lead with. I asked you your opinion on is proposed solution - putting policies in place to remove people from their jobs if it is determined that it social or political views are not in balance with 'the masses' .
What do you think of that - I'm especially keen to hear your views, especially as we all know your views on positive discrimination - which no doubt would have to be an element in this plan of youngmafbog's.
I have to agree with you. The one thing no-one can accuse you of is point scoring on this thread.
Specifically, because you haven't.
And I did not ask you about the statement that youngmafbog lead with. I asked you your opinion on is proposed solution - putting policies in place to remove people from their jobs if it is determined that it social or political views are not in balance with 'the masses' .
What do you think of that - I'm especially keen to hear your views, especially as we all know your views on positive discrimination - which no doubt would have to be an element in this plan of youngmafbog's.
SP, //The one thing no-one can accuse you of is point scoring on this thread.//
Then why did you?
.//And I did not ask you about the statement that youngmafbog lead with.//
No, but my comments on that statement were what you were alluding to when you accused me of point scoring.
//we all know your views on positive discrimination//
Yes, you do – and they remain unchanged. I would always employ/elect the best person for the job. Therefore, if an applicant/candidate espoused opinions that were detrimental to the efficient execution of the job he would not be my choice. That’s why I would never vote for Jeremy Corbyn.
Then why did you?
.//And I did not ask you about the statement that youngmafbog lead with.//
No, but my comments on that statement were what you were alluding to when you accused me of point scoring.
//we all know your views on positive discrimination//
Yes, you do – and they remain unchanged. I would always employ/elect the best person for the job. Therefore, if an applicant/candidate espoused opinions that were detrimental to the efficient execution of the job he would not be my choice. That’s why I would never vote for Jeremy Corbyn.
I didn't accuse you of point scoring.
I accused your of point keeping.
Point scoring is where you try to win easy points.
Point keeping is merely keeping a running tally, which was a reflection on the fact that at that point, you were totalling up the number of people who had (allegedly) met the criteria of youngmafbog's first sentence.
I accused your of point keeping.
Point scoring is where you try to win easy points.
Point keeping is merely keeping a running tally, which was a reflection on the fact that at that point, you were totalling up the number of people who had (allegedly) met the criteria of youngmafbog's first sentence.
//...the average Muslim, which is 99.9% of them, has no truck with extremism, and the average UK citizen, which is 99.9% of them also, feels exactly the same.//
A frequently made point which I think a lot of you guys share: all people and all cultures are pretty much the same. I'd like the open-minded among you to consider some facts which appear to contradict Andy's statement, and especially the first part of it. (He doesn't say whether he's talking about all Muslims everywhere, by the way, or just the UK ones - I assume he means the former.) I'm presenting the facts by way of a case study based on an event which occurred six years ago and the ramifications which have arisen from it. It starts in Pakistan ("only" 200,000 extremists there); it ends in the UK ("only" 3,000 extremists here). All the facts (some very unpleasant and many shocking - well, at least to me) are easily verifiable - just do a Wiki search on the named characters. Here goes.
In June 2009 a Christian woman, Asia Bibi, was accused of "insulting the Prophet Mohammed" (a crime under Pakistani law) by Muslims in her village.
A local court found her guilty and sentenced her to death, a sentence which needed the ratification of a higher jurisdiction.
She was supported by an opposer of the Pakistani blasphemy laws, the governor of Punjab, Salmaan Taseer.
In January 2011 Taseer was assassinated by one of his security officers, Mumtaz Qadri.
October 2011 Qadri is found guilty and condemned to death.
Oct 2014 the Lahore High court upholds Bibi's death sentence which is then appealed.
February 2016 Qadri is hanged and has a funeral attended by possibly as many as 100,000 people. (see the video link)
Meanwhile Bibi remains in jail pending the appeal (Wiki ends with an appeal to be heard in March 2016, but does not go further - nor have I found a reference to her situation today).
Pakistan - 99.9% - no truck with extremism?
OK, now let's get up to date with two of Justin Welby's new friends. They are two popular Pakistani clerics - Muhammad Naqib ur Rehman and his son Haseeb Ur Rehman. Both of them have praised Qadri (whose funeral the son allegedly attended) for the assassination.
August 2016 Naqib and son arrive in the UK.
Archbishop of Canterbury welcomes Naqib (presumably for "dialogue" and talks about "combatting extremism").
The pair conduct a seven week preaching tour of British mosques.
Now seeing that 99.9% of Muslims "have no truck with extremism" there doesn't appear to be much of an audience out of the remaining.1% for these preachers, does there? But let's look at this extract from The Oldham Evening Chronicle about the pair's visit to an Oldham mosque (the full article can be found at http://
'The Chronicle spoke to imam Zahoor Chishti, from Madina Mosque and Islamic Centre in Coppice... Speaking about the two clerics, imam Chishti said: "They have got hundreds of thousands of followers in the UK...Several followers and disciples of theirs contact people and ask if they could use their venues...They come to the UK every year and give messages of love, so that's why they're booked on that basis.".'
A frequently made point which I think a lot of you guys share: all people and all cultures are pretty much the same. I'd like the open-minded among you to consider some facts which appear to contradict Andy's statement, and especially the first part of it. (He doesn't say whether he's talking about all Muslims everywhere, by the way, or just the UK ones - I assume he means the former.) I'm presenting the facts by way of a case study based on an event which occurred six years ago and the ramifications which have arisen from it. It starts in Pakistan ("only" 200,000 extremists there); it ends in the UK ("only" 3,000 extremists here). All the facts (some very unpleasant and many shocking - well, at least to me) are easily verifiable - just do a Wiki search on the named characters. Here goes.
In June 2009 a Christian woman, Asia Bibi, was accused of "insulting the Prophet Mohammed" (a crime under Pakistani law) by Muslims in her village.
A local court found her guilty and sentenced her to death, a sentence which needed the ratification of a higher jurisdiction.
She was supported by an opposer of the Pakistani blasphemy laws, the governor of Punjab, Salmaan Taseer.
In January 2011 Taseer was assassinated by one of his security officers, Mumtaz Qadri.
October 2011 Qadri is found guilty and condemned to death.
Oct 2014 the Lahore High court upholds Bibi's death sentence which is then appealed.
February 2016 Qadri is hanged and has a funeral attended by possibly as many as 100,000 people. (see the video link)
Meanwhile Bibi remains in jail pending the appeal (Wiki ends with an appeal to be heard in March 2016, but does not go further - nor have I found a reference to her situation today).
Pakistan - 99.9% - no truck with extremism?
OK, now let's get up to date with two of Justin Welby's new friends. They are two popular Pakistani clerics - Muhammad Naqib ur Rehman and his son Haseeb Ur Rehman. Both of them have praised Qadri (whose funeral the son allegedly attended) for the assassination.
August 2016 Naqib and son arrive in the UK.
Archbishop of Canterbury welcomes Naqib (presumably for "dialogue" and talks about "combatting extremism").
The pair conduct a seven week preaching tour of British mosques.
Now seeing that 99.9% of Muslims "have no truck with extremism" there doesn't appear to be much of an audience out of the remaining.1% for these preachers, does there? But let's look at this extract from The Oldham Evening Chronicle about the pair's visit to an Oldham mosque (the full article can be found at http://
'The Chronicle spoke to imam Zahoor Chishti, from Madina Mosque and Islamic Centre in Coppice... Speaking about the two clerics, imam Chishti said: "They have got hundreds of thousands of followers in the UK...Several followers and disciples of theirs contact people and ask if they could use their venues...They come to the UK every year and give messages of love, so that's why they're booked on that basis.".'
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