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Kelvin Mackenzie Sacked !
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This ogre has finally been sacked, and not before time....good riddance !
This ogre has finally been sacked, and not before time....good riddance !
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Khandro - //and andy, why should an editor have to search the family tree of someone whom everyone considered to be white? //
Have you read any of the posts I have written on this thread?
For at least the third, and hopefully last time, I regard the 'ethncitiy' aspect of this situation to be bogus, PC at best, media stiring at worst - it should be jettisoned.
But as I said in my previous post, the responsibility for reigning in the untamed nonsense Mr MacKenzie churns out under the guise of journalism, should be checked and edited accordingly.
// Also, gorillas are no more related to black people than they are to whites //
No, but cultural history shows a long thread of comparison of black men to gorillas, initially in the imagined size of their genitalia, and later, in regard to their supposed behaviour traits.
You know that as well as I do - I am surprised that you are floating that as any form of defence.
Have you read any of the posts I have written on this thread?
For at least the third, and hopefully last time, I regard the 'ethncitiy' aspect of this situation to be bogus, PC at best, media stiring at worst - it should be jettisoned.
But as I said in my previous post, the responsibility for reigning in the untamed nonsense Mr MacKenzie churns out under the guise of journalism, should be checked and edited accordingly.
// Also, gorillas are no more related to black people than they are to whites //
No, but cultural history shows a long thread of comparison of black men to gorillas, initially in the imagined size of their genitalia, and later, in regard to their supposed behaviour traits.
You know that as well as I do - I am surprised that you are floating that as any form of defence.
AOG - ///// and the hardworking residents of Liverpool being likened to drug dealers, was not. ///
How many more times, he did not liken the hard-working residents of Liverpool to drug dealers. //
This is simply semantics.
Mr Mackenzie inferred that the only people who had wage packets the size of a footballer's were drug dealers.
I can't pick any positive meaning out of that - can you?
How many more times, he did not liken the hard-working residents of Liverpool to drug dealers. //
This is simply semantics.
Mr Mackenzie inferred that the only people who had wage packets the size of a footballer's were drug dealers.
I can't pick any positive meaning out of that - can you?
AOG - //Khandro
To be fair the ABer ... //
Oh please, do you really have to continue this nonsense?
// ... has dismissed the racial aspect, it is only rude comments made to professional footballers, he is getting his knickers in a twist about. //
I am not getting anything about anything, I am merely expressing my view, as I do every day, and as you do every day. You know where insults go, let's stop it right there, shall we.
// I suggest that he pays a visit to any football stadium when teams are playing, he'll then hear much worse. //
I have no need - I live within earshot of a Premier League ground, and on occasions I visit with my wife, who is a season ticket holder.
People who visit football grounds do so on the basis that they will hear occasional robust opinions of players, referees, etc., either verbally or in song.
Similarly - professional footballers will be well used to the epithets directed en masse towards themselves, and colleagues, and will accept it as part and parcel of their chosen profession.
But a footballer who accepts insults from a crowd who help to may his wages, should not have to suffer random insults from a puffed-up blowhard professional agitator who is rude for a living - and neither should innocent citizens of a city have their income measured against that of a drug dealer.
To be fair the ABer ... //
Oh please, do you really have to continue this nonsense?
// ... has dismissed the racial aspect, it is only rude comments made to professional footballers, he is getting his knickers in a twist about. //
I am not getting anything about anything, I am merely expressing my view, as I do every day, and as you do every day. You know where insults go, let's stop it right there, shall we.
// I suggest that he pays a visit to any football stadium when teams are playing, he'll then hear much worse. //
I have no need - I live within earshot of a Premier League ground, and on occasions I visit with my wife, who is a season ticket holder.
People who visit football grounds do so on the basis that they will hear occasional robust opinions of players, referees, etc., either verbally or in song.
Similarly - professional footballers will be well used to the epithets directed en masse towards themselves, and colleagues, and will accept it as part and parcel of their chosen profession.
But a footballer who accepts insults from a crowd who help to may his wages, should not have to suffer random insults from a puffed-up blowhard professional agitator who is rude for a living - and neither should innocent citizens of a city have their income measured against that of a drug dealer.
AOG - //Could it be due to the vast amount of money they receive.
But then I am only thinking logically. //
The amount is not the issue, and you know it - it is the inference that anyone earning a parallel wage to a Premier League footballer is probably a drug dealer.
I would imagine that Mr MacKenzie's inflated salary is commensurate with that earned by a high class male prostitute, but I would not venture that opinion in a national newspaper.
But then I am only thinking logically. //
The amount is not the issue, and you know it - it is the inference that anyone earning a parallel wage to a Premier League footballer is probably a drug dealer.
I would imagine that Mr MacKenzie's inflated salary is commensurate with that earned by a high class male prostitute, but I would not venture that opinion in a national newspaper.
sp; I came late to this thread and no, I haven't read it through, but I want to say that K.M. certainly isn't a racist, he is a staunch supporter of Israel and all Jews. The Spectator article btw continues so;
When plunged into this kind of storm, deploying the ‘my best friend is black/gay/transgender’ option invites derision, but I thought the story of my will would be helpful. Predating Rossgate by a few weeks, I contacted the fundraising department of my old school, Alleyn’s in Dulwich, south-east London. If I left the school some money could they guarantee that 100 per cent of the scholarships would go to minority children? I had in mind African-Caribbean kids from the catchment area of Camberwell, Peckham and New Cross. They went away to check with the chairman of the governors and the head teacher. I was given the thumbs up and my lawyer is now drawing up the will. I tell this story because I am forced to, not because I want to. Another victory for Liverpool.
When plunged into this kind of storm, deploying the ‘my best friend is black/gay/transgender’ option invites derision, but I thought the story of my will would be helpful. Predating Rossgate by a few weeks, I contacted the fundraising department of my old school, Alleyn’s in Dulwich, south-east London. If I left the school some money could they guarantee that 100 per cent of the scholarships would go to minority children? I had in mind African-Caribbean kids from the catchment area of Camberwell, Peckham and New Cross. They went away to check with the chairman of the governors and the head teacher. I was given the thumbs up and my lawyer is now drawing up the will. I tell this story because I am forced to, not because I want to. Another victory for Liverpool.
Khandro - // ... but I want to say that K.M. certainly isn't a racist, he is a staunch supporter of Israel and all Jews. //
That is a seriously poor defence - I would have thought better of you.
Just because someone supports one minority group does not for one moment indicate that he support all minority groups.
That is a seriously poor defence - I would have thought better of you.
Just because someone supports one minority group does not for one moment indicate that he support all minority groups.
Not too smart of Kelvin Mackenzie to:
a) have another dig at the people of Liverpool (stating the only high earners were footballers and drug dealers) at a time when his employer, The Sun, is trying to patch things up with Liverpool following the last huge slight he placed on them when, as editor of The Sun, the paper unilaterally ran a story under the headline “The Truth”, that suggested Liverpool fans were responsible for the Hillsborough disaster for which it took decades to apologise and he never has, and
b) to call an assault victim who he knows only through the media "thick" and "a gorilla", whether or not he knew that victim's heritage, leaving his employer The Sun to make the ridiculous apology "The paper was unaware of Ross Barkley's heritage and there was never any slur intended [when Kelvin called him 'thick' and 'a gorilla' in his column in our paper]".
He obviously deserved to be sacked but has no doubt got away with a payoff.
a) have another dig at the people of Liverpool (stating the only high earners were footballers and drug dealers) at a time when his employer, The Sun, is trying to patch things up with Liverpool following the last huge slight he placed on them when, as editor of The Sun, the paper unilaterally ran a story under the headline “The Truth”, that suggested Liverpool fans were responsible for the Hillsborough disaster for which it took decades to apologise and he never has, and
b) to call an assault victim who he knows only through the media "thick" and "a gorilla", whether or not he knew that victim's heritage, leaving his employer The Sun to make the ridiculous apology "The paper was unaware of Ross Barkley's heritage and there was never any slur intended [when Kelvin called him 'thick' and 'a gorilla' in his column in our paper]".
He obviously deserved to be sacked but has no doubt got away with a payoff.
andy; //Just because someone supports one minority group does not for one moment indicate that he support all minority groups.//
How blind are you? For many years, Kelvin Mackenzie has supported and defended Jews and Israel and before this rigged fracas, he had made a bequest in his will for money to support the education of ethnic minority deprived children (easily validified) to a London school.
What have you ever done for minority groups other than shout off your big mouth on social media?
How blind are you? For many years, Kelvin Mackenzie has supported and defended Jews and Israel and before this rigged fracas, he had made a bequest in his will for money to support the education of ethnic minority deprived children (easily validified) to a London school.
What have you ever done for minority groups other than shout off your big mouth on social media?
Khandro - //andy; //Just because someone supports one minority group does not for one moment indicate that he support all minority groups.//
How blind are you? //
I have worn glasses of a pretty strong prescription since I was eleven, but I am not registered as blind.
//For many years, Kelvin Mackenzie has supported and defended Jews and Israel and before this rigged fracas, he had made a bequest in his will for money to support the education of ethnic minority deprived children (easily validified) to a London school. //
That simply reiterates your point - it does not address mine, which is that support for one minority, laudable as it is, does not automatically signal support for all minorities.
And for the fourth time - I have confirmed that I believe that notion of racism in this situation is bogus, and should be jettisoned from the argument.
//What have you ever done for minority groups other than shout off your big mouth on social media? //
I am not the person under discussion here, and I am not obliged to accede to your rude request - so let's stick to the point we are discussing.
How blind are you? //
I have worn glasses of a pretty strong prescription since I was eleven, but I am not registered as blind.
//For many years, Kelvin Mackenzie has supported and defended Jews and Israel and before this rigged fracas, he had made a bequest in his will for money to support the education of ethnic minority deprived children (easily validified) to a London school. //
That simply reiterates your point - it does not address mine, which is that support for one minority, laudable as it is, does not automatically signal support for all minorities.
And for the fourth time - I have confirmed that I believe that notion of racism in this situation is bogus, and should be jettisoned from the argument.
//What have you ever done for minority groups other than shout off your big mouth on social media? //
I am not the person under discussion here, and I am not obliged to accede to your rude request - so let's stick to the point we are discussing.
Khandro - Fair enough, I concede that Mr MacKenzie is inclusive of his support for minorities - I am sure he pats dogs and loves his mother as well - but that is not the point we are discussing, and he support of minorities is not a Get Out Of Jail Free Card that allows him to run off at the mouth in print and overstep the bounds of appropriate commentary doing it.
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