The Eu (Next) Parliament.

[Khandro]

What do you think about Steve Bannon's plan?

[Old_Geezer]

So they're chosen by patronage not by election. And overwhelmingly pro-federalist to boot. Highly undemocratic.

[Gromit]

Old_Geezer

The elected Government appoints all kinds of positions from Law Lords to Chief Constables. The election is democratic, and the winner gets to put its preferred people in positions to carry out the Governments policies.

The Government’s EU Commissioner is not elected, the Government is. The Government appoints a UK representative to work on European policy.

[Garaman]

NJ, if we had voted to remain, knowing that we would only have a part say in future EU legislation, would we still have been a democracy?

[Garaman]

His movement involves forming a union of EU representatives with a joint cause. It will never work.

[New Judge]

"NJ, if we had voted to remain, knowing that we would only have a part say in future EU legislation, would we still have been a democracy?"

No. For the reasons I stated in my earlier post. But at least the electorate will have had its say, fully cognisant of the consequences (which were not emphasised enough in the run up to the referendum). If we had remained in the EU our democratic privileges (such as they are) would have been eroded almost daily.

Yes, there is a lot wrong with the UK's model but for all its faults the electorate at least has a chance every five years to chuck out the incumbents. To suggest that the EU is somehow democratic because member states provide the Commissioners and we have MEPs is stretching credibility. This is for two reasons: firstly the Commissioners do not act in their own nation's interest. They act in the interests of the entire EU and it is quite obvious that the interests of the UK will seldom concur with those of many of the other members. Secondly the MEPs have only two options: to accept or reject proposed legislation. They cannot propose it themselves; they cannot modify it themselves. And we all know what happens when proposals that the EU wants to see enacted are rejected.

[Garaman]

You wouldn't be in agreement with this list then I take it, NJ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

[New Judge]

Not from the definitions used, no.

[cassa333]

Gromit complaining the only 13.9 million people out of 46 Million gave us a Conservative government doesn’t really mean much when it is pointed out in the next breath that UKIP got 4 million and no MPs.

And let’s not forget that had the other 30 million voted Labour they would have been in. Did all those 46mil vote and if so who for? That will tell you why the Conservatives are ‘in power’ at the moment.

So the number of votes for a particular party doesn’t seems to mean a great deal when you look at UKIP does it?