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Nigel - ''not A Fit And Proper Person ''
//Two newspaper adverts set out his offer to help "secure a big Brexit majority" and to "destroy Corbyn's Labour".
But a senior Conservative source said Mr Farage was "not a fit and proper person" and "should never be allowed anywhere near government".
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But a senior Conservative source said Mr Farage was "not a fit and proper person" and "should never be allowed anywhere near government".
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Foolish thing to say.
But Farage's insistence on no-deal up front makes things awkward. What is needed is to be seen trying to get a deal even though knowing the EU aren't going to lose face by suddenly offering anything remotely acceptable. Then, with time run out and no deal emerging, it's time to leave with no-deal being the agreement.
But Farage's insistence on no-deal up front makes things awkward. What is needed is to be seen trying to get a deal even though knowing the EU aren't going to lose face by suddenly offering anything remotely acceptable. Then, with time run out and no deal emerging, it's time to leave with no-deal being the agreement.
Cummings hates him.
Johnson and most of the Tory party are scared stiff of him.
I suspect Johnson wants a “do or die” Brexit for practical not ideological reasons and imagines that post Brexit the Tories can be shot of Farage. The last thing they want is to be tied to them in some sort of pact.
Apart from anything else, although polls suggest a 40 seat majority for the Tories if tactical proBrexit voting occurred, it would still be very risky and would run the danger of splitting the party.
Then actually hello Mr Corbyn perhaps.
Johnson and most of the Tory party are scared stiff of him.
I suspect Johnson wants a “do or die” Brexit for practical not ideological reasons and imagines that post Brexit the Tories can be shot of Farage. The last thing they want is to be tied to them in some sort of pact.
Apart from anything else, although polls suggest a 40 seat majority for the Tories if tactical proBrexit voting occurred, it would still be very risky and would run the danger of splitting the party.
Then actually hello Mr Corbyn perhaps.
A very silly statement. Mr. Farage offers the Conservatives a lifeline as a deal with him would ensure that some Labour seats returned a pro-Brexit M.P.. There really are places where the Conservatives are unelectable, but people want Brexit and would vote for The Brexit Party. Otherwise there is a risk of Corbyn being elected - on which point I hope that the CBI are now more favourable of Brexit after Corbyn talked of a return to the '70's power-base for the unions. I've just been talking to Mr. J2 about stocking-up on candles etc.. I remember it well.
Johnson and Cumming's entire raison d'etre -- indeed, the reason we had the referendum in the first place -- is to defeat the threat to their from Farage. Stands to reason that they wouldn't want to align themselves with him: that would just undermine everything that they're trying to accomplish.
I mean, if the Tories were pragmatic then I kind of agree with jourdain. But they're not going to be. Farage has long been seen as an enemy of the Tories, rather than a friend.
I mean, if the Tories were pragmatic then I kind of agree with jourdain. But they're not going to be. Farage has long been seen as an enemy of the Tories, rather than a friend.
//a senior Conservative source said Mr Farage was "not a fit and proper person"//
Firstly who is this ‘senior Conservative source’, and secondly I would challenge any Remainer ‘source’ of any political persuasion to justify his/her claim to be a ‘fit and proper person to represent the electorate.
Sad to see that worthy principle goes utterly unrecognised in the Remain camp.
Firstly who is this ‘senior Conservative source’, and secondly I would challenge any Remainer ‘source’ of any political persuasion to justify his/her claim to be a ‘fit and proper person to represent the electorate.
Sad to see that worthy principle goes utterly unrecognised in the Remain camp.
"There really are places where the Conservatives are unelectable, but people want Brexit and would vote for The Brexit Party."
That's what people say, and it might prove to be true if they can get through a whole election campaign avoiding debate about anything other than Brexit. But I would expect that during an election campaign the BP would be horribly exposed. It would dawn on people that they are voting for someone to be their MP making national laws for five years and they will want to know where BP stands on issues like the health service, social care, education and training, local government funding. They will see that the BP candidates are largely UKIP v2.0 - a mixture of ultra-Thatcherite city types and a very long lower batting order of fruitcakes, all holding pretty firmly right wing views about every issue on which their target voters in Lab constituencies have left-leaning views.
That's what people say, and it might prove to be true if they can get through a whole election campaign avoiding debate about anything other than Brexit. But I would expect that during an election campaign the BP would be horribly exposed. It would dawn on people that they are voting for someone to be their MP making national laws for five years and they will want to know where BP stands on issues like the health service, social care, education and training, local government funding. They will see that the BP candidates are largely UKIP v2.0 - a mixture of ultra-Thatcherite city types and a very long lower batting order of fruitcakes, all holding pretty firmly right wing views about every issue on which their target voters in Lab constituencies have left-leaning views.
First off we won't be crashing out from anywhere. We will be leaving as demanded, and since realising the EU's attitude, as predicted for ages now.
Secondly the Brexit party can't seriously be accused of being a threat to the Conservative party since the likelihood of it continuing after proper genuine Brexit has been achieved must be slim. If they get MPs they are likely to be there for one term only, and many may opt, after Brexit, to apply to switch parties anyway. The risk, as is well known, is to split the democratic votes and let an undemocrat alliance in at any pre-Brexit GE. While there is a possibility of Brexit before a GE then one can see a desire not to commit to any such deal, but come a pre-Brexit GE they must revisit and reconsider that stance for the sake of the nation.
Secondly the Brexit party can't seriously be accused of being a threat to the Conservative party since the likelihood of it continuing after proper genuine Brexit has been achieved must be slim. If they get MPs they are likely to be there for one term only, and many may opt, after Brexit, to apply to switch parties anyway. The risk, as is well known, is to split the democratic votes and let an undemocrat alliance in at any pre-Brexit GE. While there is a possibility of Brexit before a GE then one can see a desire not to commit to any such deal, but come a pre-Brexit GE they must revisit and reconsider that stance for the sake of the nation.
"they will want to know where BP stands on issues like the health service, social care, education and training, local government funding"
I'd predict minimal affect since a) Brexit is the main thing one has to get done and delivered, and folk realise that; and b) the Brexit party are unlikely to be the majority party, although one might hope. They would be a minor party ensuring another pro-leave party was calling the shots without their strings being pulled by an undemocratic opposition. Whether it was a full coalition or simply, and more likely, an understanding, the Brexit party would have but a small influence on domestic policies.
I'd predict minimal affect since a) Brexit is the main thing one has to get done and delivered, and folk realise that; and b) the Brexit party are unlikely to be the majority party, although one might hope. They would be a minor party ensuring another pro-leave party was calling the shots without their strings being pulled by an undemocratic opposition. Whether it was a full coalition or simply, and more likely, an understanding, the Brexit party would have but a small influence on domestic policies.
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