‘Discrimination’ May Be Factor In Disproportionate B A M E Deaths Among Nhs Staff

[naomi24]

//Black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) medics and healthcare workers say "systemic discrimination" on the frontline of the coronavirus outbreak may be a factor in the disproportionate number of their colleagues who have died after contracting the virus.//

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-13/discrimination-frontline-coronavirus-covid19-black-minority-ethnic-bame-deaths-nhs-racism/

Why then are deaths among ethnic minorities disproportionately higher outside the NHS too? I think another reason needs to be sought.

[ToraToraTora]

there is a statistical feature that needs investigating, why do you and others start with a pre assumed explanation? Lets investigate objectively.

[sp1814]

TTT


I’m sure that many would agree with you. I suppose it’s just one of those things where different people interpret the same story different ways.

I think we can agree to disagree on this.

[ToraToraTora]

so what are you saying SP? That non Caucasians are being used as cannon fodder?

[Theland]

Mistaken? Lying?
No.
Some racism blown out of all proportion, fuelled by peer pressure and left wing cheerleaders.
There has not been an official investigation yet, just a rush to a premature conclusion which is indeed the stomping ground for SJW's.

[naomi24]

SP, // Or that they're falling back on racism because they have no other excuse for their own failings?//

A ‘failing’ is a strange way to describe a tragedy. Who failed? No one. The appalling effect that this infection is having upon ethnic minorities needs to be investigated - honestly, without politics, or pre-existing notions, or chips on shoulders. Properly. People are dying and we need to know why.

[sp1814]

TTT / Theland

You may well have a point there. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I don'r agree with you.

But whatever the cause it's good that there's a forum to discuss this.

[NickorWan]

Is the death ratio greater for ethnic minorities who get the virus, or are ethnic minorities more likely to get the virus?

[sp1814]

naomi24

Very well said naomi24.

[Theland]

So - Yes we can all learn from each other.
My ethnically Sudanese nurse daughter in law is my concern, but I have never heard her complain of racism in her job.

[naomi24]

SP, thank you.

[sp1814]

Theland

That's great, but not conclusive evidence.

You're talking about one person's experience.

But anyway - I think we've wrung this flannel dry. Have a safe evening.

[Theland]

So - appreciated.

[webbo3]

And now its because white people have a garden.
https://news.sky.com/story/black-britons-four-times-less-likely-than-white-people-to-have-garden-during-lockdown-11988285

[campbellking]

I think it just goes to how that we still know very little about the mechanisms behind the virus and how it affects people. The proportion of BAME doctors is 44% yet 94 % of the doctors who have died are of BAME background. Doctors are not poorly paid, so ' deprivation' cannot be a causative factor in this instance. Still no explanation why the virus predominantly kills men. Was surprised that the comment was made about redeployment to 'red' areas being made in a discriminatory fashion, not saying it hasn't happened in other Hospitals but it hasn't happened where I work , staff have for the main part stayed working where they were or in the nearest equivalent (I've spent the vast majority of the time working in red areas). Lots o research needed in all sorts of areas because there are a lot of answers that need to be found in order to move forwards

[Peter Pedant]

thanks Cambell
I hadnt realised the doctors' death ratio was so stark.

[jourdain2]

Having trawled through all this; I can't believe that no-one picked up on roopower's post at about 9.58 this morning. It mentioned, quietly, the issue of Vitamin D. As is happens, we were visiting our local surgery yesterday to have Mr. J2's dressings changed and I mentioned to the nurse several articles I had read which cited the lack of vitamin D amongst BAME sufferers. She knew that dark skins absorb less vit. D (this all started because we commented on her 'gardening tanned' arms) and we had quite a discussion. Vit. D levels are higher in northern populations - which seek the sun - she thought that Swedes had the highest level. Mediterranean types e.g.. Spanish, avoid the high sun a lot and have a darker skin and African skins do not allow much vit.D to be made through sunlight.

Then today I read an article on the front page of the Telegraph, headlined 'Getting some sunshine can protect against transmission', scientific adviser suggests.

Add this into the mix, please ---- and where the racial discrimination domes from, I don't know. Lifestyles and genetics also count of course.