Bad Tests And False Positives

[pastafreak]

This is a rather long, but fascinating article
Written by a biomedical research scientist, he analyses whats wrong with the current testing procedure, why it's producing so many false positives (more than we've been told), and...yes...Matt Hancock has a lot to answer for. I've waded through about 3/4 of it. It's not easy reading, but worthwhile.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/

[Old_Geezer]

The percentage of the population immune that is needed for herd immunity is subjective. Pick whatever part of the curve you wish to argue for. Meanwhile each and every one that gains immunity is a help and a step towards it. What we mustn't do is delay the progress.

[woofgang]

actually there is maff to say it isn't subjective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

[Peter Pedant]

yup
hi woof
it is related to the Ro
as I brilliantly explain above
and THAT is because - the more contagious it is, the greater you need the pool of immunity and the higher the Ro is
and if it is not very contagious, you need a smaller herd immunity to stall progress and it will have a lower Ro

Hey but this is AB so we can make it what we want!
no one is gonna DDDDIIIIIEEEEE because of it

[Peter Pedant]

scroll right down - flaming Ros! in the cited wiki article

HI (as a fraction) = 1 - (1/Ro) ( x100 for percents)

[woofgang]

o maff gives me migraines but I thought it might enlighten OG

[allenlondon]

How can a whole thread absolutely ignore woofgang’s killer comment?

She wrote:
and the bloke who owns the website is a charming chap
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jan/03/toby-young-quotes-on-breasts-eugenics-and-working-class-people

which pretty much puts the kyebosh on the whole article.

[woofgang]

Allen long long ago I learned the concept of cui bono and that and its subsidiaries have served me well

[Old_Geezer]

If it wasn't subject there wouldn't be disagreement about the percentage. Ergo

[woofgang]

oh and he supports Foxy https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/laurence-fox-is-a-political-force-to-be-reckoned-with

[woofgang]

OG????? quoi?
"If it wasn't subject there wouldn't be disagreement about the percentage. Ergo"

[allenlondon]

Toby Young was a liberal darling when he set up a ‘free school’ about 15 years ago. Now he’s certainly running with the dogs.

(OG. Maybe he’s been on the gargle).

[Peter Pedant]

// If it wasn't subject there wouldn't be disagreement about the percentage. Ergo//
as a telepath let me expand

If it werent subjective, there wouldn't be disagreement about the percentage or any measured object. Ergo - there IS disagreement so it must be subjective

now let me comment on the content - complete barlz or a non sequitur

There was argument for example about the measurement of the speed of light - alto' the 1680 estimation was worryingly accurate (based on the medicean moon orbit times of jupiter).
thro fizeau, foucault and the zero estimations ( more accurate).
and so something objective ( like the speed of light ) can still be the subject of debate doubt and variation

but you really always knew that didnt you

readers - I would never NEVER comment " what dat mean den?" and then press the delete button unlike SOME on this site that DO.

[allenlondon]

Peter. I’d appreciate your opinion of mine above at 20:41 and woofgang’s ‘cui bono’ response at 20:43.

Essentially, Toby Young’s involvement eliminates any credibility the ‘argument’ ever had.

Unless you know different?

Allen