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Proud Of The Proud Boys
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A bit surprised that Trump's reference to his Proud Boys has gone uncommented in this columns.
Here is a taste of the 'leader' (Gavin McInnes)'s views:
"Gavin McInnes has claimed that “fighting solves everything” and in a video message hosted by Rebel Media he once boasted that Proud Boys “are the only ones fighting” the anti-fascist collective Antifa. “I want you to fight them too,” he continued. “It’s fun. When they go low, go lower. Mace them back, throw bricks at their head. Destroy them. We’ve been doing it a while now and I’ve got to say, it’s really invigorating.”
I can't link to the New Statesman for the full article (you have to be a paid-up subscriber), but here IS the full article on my g-drive:
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I think it's important to understand what you're supporting, and I know there are a lot of Trump supporters on here.
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Here is a taste of the 'leader' (Gavin McInnes)'s views:
"Gavin McInnes has claimed that “fighting solves everything” and in a video message hosted by Rebel Media he once boasted that Proud Boys “are the only ones fighting” the anti-fascist collective Antifa. “I want you to fight them too,” he continued. “It’s fun. When they go low, go lower. Mace them back, throw bricks at their head. Destroy them. We’ve been doing it a while now and I’ve got to say, it’s really invigorating.”
I can't link to the New Statesman for the full article (you have to be a paid-up subscriber), but here IS the full article on my g-drive:
https:/
I think it's important to understand what you're supporting, and I know there are a lot of Trump supporters on here.
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Even if we assume that Trump *meant* to condemn the Proud Boys, which is probably a bit of a stretch, it's obvious that the PB themselves took it in a very different way. "Standing by, Sir" is not the response of an organisation that thinks itself condemned. That's a problem.
The wider problem is that it's often difficult to pin down what Trump is thinking. It's easy to find quotes of his, sometimes separated by seconds, that say the exact opposite of one another; and, besides, his "answers" are so often rambling, wandering off-topic frequently, that it can be difficult to work out what he's even trying to say. Here's one particular classic. Read the following, then answer the question:
Hannity: "Let’s talk about a second term... What’s at stake in this election as you compare and contrast, and what is one of your top priority items for a second term?"
Trump: "Well, one of the things that will be really great… You know, the word experience is still good. I always say talent is more important than experience. I’ve always said that, but the word experience is a very important word. It’s a very important meeting. I never did this before. I never slept over in Washington. I was in Washington, I think, 17 times. All of a sudden, I’m president of the United States. You know the story. I’m riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our First Lady and I say, 'This is great.' But I didn’t know very many people in Washington, it wasn’t my thing. I was from Manhattan from New York. Now I know everybody, and I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes. An idiot like Bolton, all he wanted to do is drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to kill people... He’s sort of a sick guy. There’s something wrong with him. But I noticed that earlier, he made two very bad mistakes. He made a mistake where he talked about the Libyan model. ... I said, 'That’s a disaster,' because you know why. And the other thing he said, 'Going into Iraq was a good thing.' I said, 'Okay, John, but now you know it wasn’t, right?' 'No, no. I still think it was.' I said, “So we’re in for $8 trillion in the Middle East, and you think that was a good thing?' And I’m pulling out, you know, I’ve getting everybody out nice and easy. Everyone’s going nicely. Going nicely... He was only there a short while. Once he said those two things, I no longer paid much attention to him, if any. But I’ll tell you, he was good for one thing. Everyone thought he was crazy, because all he wants to do is bomb people. You know, he’ll fight Russia. Let’s fight Russia. Let’s fight China. Let’s take them on at the same time. He’s crazy. When I walked into a room with him, I knew that. When they saw Bolton, they always gave me what I wanted... So in a way, he helped me in terms of a negotiation. But seriously, he didn’t do a good job. He wasn’t smart. He wasn’t sharp. And he’s the only man I think I’ve ever met… I knew him for a year, one year, whatever the time was, short time. I don’t think I ever saw him smile once."
H: "You still beat back the caliphate. You got Baghdadi and associates, you got Soleimani. You got the al Qaeda leader in Yemen."
T: "We’ve done a lot, we’ve done a lot. We took out Soleimani, number one terrort in the world. We took out al-Baghdadi. He was also considered number one. I guess they fought for number one, I got them both. Obama should have gotten al-Baghdadi, but we took them both out. When I took it over, it was all over the place. It was a disaster. That’s the ISIS caliphate."
H: "It won't be on your second term agenda to drop cargo planes of cash for mullahs in Iran, I’m just guessing."
T: "I got 1.8 billion in green, beautiful cash. But in cash, 1.8 billion, I think it was five plane loads of cash. Five plane loads. 1.8 billion and 150 billion. Actually I was more impressed with 1.8 billion in cash, if you want to know that truth. So it was one of those things."
The wider problem is that it's often difficult to pin down what Trump is thinking. It's easy to find quotes of his, sometimes separated by seconds, that say the exact opposite of one another; and, besides, his "answers" are so often rambling, wandering off-topic frequently, that it can be difficult to work out what he's even trying to say. Here's one particular classic. Read the following, then answer the question:
Hannity: "Let’s talk about a second term... What’s at stake in this election as you compare and contrast, and what is one of your top priority items for a second term?"
Trump: "Well, one of the things that will be really great… You know, the word experience is still good. I always say talent is more important than experience. I’ve always said that, but the word experience is a very important word. It’s a very important meeting. I never did this before. I never slept over in Washington. I was in Washington, I think, 17 times. All of a sudden, I’m president of the United States. You know the story. I’m riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our First Lady and I say, 'This is great.' But I didn’t know very many people in Washington, it wasn’t my thing. I was from Manhattan from New York. Now I know everybody, and I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes. An idiot like Bolton, all he wanted to do is drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to drop bombs on everybody. You don’t have to kill people... He’s sort of a sick guy. There’s something wrong with him. But I noticed that earlier, he made two very bad mistakes. He made a mistake where he talked about the Libyan model. ... I said, 'That’s a disaster,' because you know why. And the other thing he said, 'Going into Iraq was a good thing.' I said, 'Okay, John, but now you know it wasn’t, right?' 'No, no. I still think it was.' I said, “So we’re in for $8 trillion in the Middle East, and you think that was a good thing?' And I’m pulling out, you know, I’ve getting everybody out nice and easy. Everyone’s going nicely. Going nicely... He was only there a short while. Once he said those two things, I no longer paid much attention to him, if any. But I’ll tell you, he was good for one thing. Everyone thought he was crazy, because all he wants to do is bomb people. You know, he’ll fight Russia. Let’s fight Russia. Let’s fight China. Let’s take them on at the same time. He’s crazy. When I walked into a room with him, I knew that. When they saw Bolton, they always gave me what I wanted... So in a way, he helped me in terms of a negotiation. But seriously, he didn’t do a good job. He wasn’t smart. He wasn’t sharp. And he’s the only man I think I’ve ever met… I knew him for a year, one year, whatever the time was, short time. I don’t think I ever saw him smile once."
H: "You still beat back the caliphate. You got Baghdadi and associates, you got Soleimani. You got the al Qaeda leader in Yemen."
T: "We’ve done a lot, we’ve done a lot. We took out Soleimani, number one terrort in the world. We took out al-Baghdadi. He was also considered number one. I guess they fought for number one, I got them both. Obama should have gotten al-Baghdadi, but we took them both out. When I took it over, it was all over the place. It was a disaster. That’s the ISIS caliphate."
H: "It won't be on your second term agenda to drop cargo planes of cash for mullahs in Iran, I’m just guessing."
T: "I got 1.8 billion in green, beautiful cash. But in cash, 1.8 billion, I think it was five plane loads of cash. Five plane loads. 1.8 billion and 150 billion. Actually I was more impressed with 1.8 billion in cash, if you want to know that truth. So it was one of those things."
I ran out of room, and that was even *after* cutting a little bit of the ramble out.
So, anyway, having read that, what is Trump's priority for a second term? As far as I can tell, based on that, it's "prosecute John Bolton".
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So, anyway, having read that, what is Trump's priority for a second term? As far as I can tell, based on that, it's "prosecute John Bolton".
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//Who is supporting him?
Name names.....//
The Proud Boys seem to think Trump supports them based on what he said - and that's a big problem here. Somehow, simultaneously some people can believe Trump said he doesn't support them, but yet they feel he endorsed them in the same sentence.
"Within minutes of Trump's 'stand back and stand by' reference to the Proud Boys, the chairman of the group, Enrique Tarrio, ordered workers at his Miami T-shirt business to start printing shirts with the slogan Proud Boys Standing By. Reportedly, 3,500 have been sold, with thousands more on order.
The group's founder, Gavin McInnes, said of Trump: 'I think he was saying, 'I appreciate you and I appreciate your support.'"
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Name names.....//
The Proud Boys seem to think Trump supports them based on what he said - and that's a big problem here. Somehow, simultaneously some people can believe Trump said he doesn't support them, but yet they feel he endorsed them in the same sentence.
"Within minutes of Trump's 'stand back and stand by' reference to the Proud Boys, the chairman of the group, Enrique Tarrio, ordered workers at his Miami T-shirt business to start printing shirts with the slogan Proud Boys Standing By. Reportedly, 3,500 have been sold, with thousands more on order.
The group's founder, Gavin McInnes, said of Trump: 'I think he was saying, 'I appreciate you and I appreciate your support.'"
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Interesting, I forgot the part where random members of the audience could get that close to a President without being shot 73 times, and the part where KKK members don't hide their faces.
Maybe he wasn't random. Maybe he wasn't KKK. Either way it was interesting seeing Trump trying to act better than he did in Home Alone, and also seeing the back of his head.
Thanks for sharing that.
Maybe he wasn't random. Maybe he wasn't KKK. Either way it was interesting seeing Trump trying to act better than he did in Home Alone, and also seeing the back of his head.
Thanks for sharing that.
No doubt, but it's harder to "hear what they want to hear" if the message is unambiguous in condemnation; and "stand back and stand by" is certainly not that.
Had he said "All forms of far right hate groups are abhorrent and I condemn them unreservedly", then ... well, they'd still have twisted it to suit their ends, but nobody else could have.
Had he said "All forms of far right hate groups are abhorrent and I condemn them unreservedly", then ... well, they'd still have twisted it to suit their ends, but nobody else could have.
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