No Surprise There Then?

[Bobbisox1]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-boris-johnson-says-tougher-measures-set-to-be-announced-in-due-course-12179050

Announcement at 8pm tonight

[rowanwitch]

But if they go out they won't be pished, they might be thinking a little more clearly about what they should or shouldn't be doing

[New Judge]

//But if they go out they won't be pished, they might be thinking a little more clearly about what they should or shouldn't be doing//

If you say so.

Personally I think they may be more inclined to roam the streets because they cannot get any booze. I think the time has come to accept that whatever restrictions the government introduces many people will not comply with them and they cannot be enforced. Those that will comply are probably doing most of what is being asked of them voluntarily anyway. Those that wont, well....won't, whether it's called Tier 4, Tier 94 or "Lockdown." Lockdowns clearly do not work and to keep doing the same thing (or subtle variations thereof) over and over again, expecting different results is madness.

[sanmac]

In Ontario we are in the strictest "lock-down" since this Covid situation started; however, the Provincial Government is allowing beer wine and liquor stores to remain open...And they're even allowing Canabis stores to remain open but for curb-side pick-up only.

[dave50]

I find it quite amazing the number of people who are clamouring for the government to pass laws to force people to stay at home, tell them who they can and can't meet, what they are allowed to buy and from which shops etc. If someone had told me that 12 months ago I would have thought they were doollally.

[bobbinwales]

Yes, would of agreed then- but there was no covid then dave. Whole new ballgame. And its temporary. If all complied with common sense guidance there be no need to call for such laws.

[New Judge]

//If all complied with common sense guidance there be no need to call for such laws.//

The problem with that, bobbin, is that the people who use their common sense have no need for laws to be passed to make them use it. Those who do not or will not use their common sense have no intention of complying with any laws which are made to force them to use it and they are unenforceable. You only need to look around you to see this is so. So the laws are unnecessary and so passing laws which ratchet up the restrictions they place on people is pointless. If people won't obey gentle restrictions they are hardly likely to obey more severe ones. In fact it's counter-productive because eventually (if not already)the laws become disreputable. Yesterday I saw half a dozen photos in the papers of various professional footballers and their friends and families partying over the festive season. So brazen were they that they published their pictures on social media. Each of them was "very sorry" for their transgression. Meanwhile Mrs NJ and I cannot go and sit in the corner of a quiet, well spaced restaurant.

I'm getting to the point now where it's obvious to me that locking people down does not work. It may be because it wouldn't work even if everybody obeyed all the rules or it may be because they simply don't obey the rules. Whatever the reason, I don't particularly care. All I know is that it doesn't work. "Ah but it would be so much worse if we didn't have lock down". Well I'm not convinced.

[cashier]

We did have covid then. First cases were reported end January2020.