children of fundalmentalists

[pimlico]

I know this is a sensitive subject! - I was on a bus last week in east London and two women got on - they were fully covered up in black, including long black gloves. This is a common sight round here - the thing was, they had a small child with them, who couldn't have been more than . She (presuming it was a girl!) had her head completely covered, with a a thin fleece and then a black veil over the top, ith only a tiny slit for her to see out of. She was blundering around as she obviously could hardly see. Surely this is child abuse? Wouldn't any child subjected to this grow up with severe psychological problems? I wanted to say something but it is such a sensitive subject and I couldn't think what to say. What does does anyone think?

[naomi24]

I spotted it too - but too late to retrieve it before ^^^^ pounced upon it! Oh dear, this would never have happened if you hadn't called yourself China!

[China Doll]

Of course, it's all my fault!

[naomi24]

No, no, China! It was my keyboard that slipped. (Hang on - we could blame him ^^^^ for noticing it. What do you say?)

[China Doll]

I think that's best actually and was always my intention.

[keyplus90]

Ok I might be wrong Naomi - what do you mean when you say that children are the one we should be considering. I will take it as children should be considered when making a choice what they do, and do not wear or what is good for them and what is bad.

If you meant that we should be considering what is good or bad for children then I am sure this child's parents have already done that. You may not like that but as far as they are concerned they have already considered the well being of the child.

[keyplus90]

few people just like playing games when they believe they have the right opinion.

This is what you call I do not agree.

[NikkiB]

Pimlico - in answer to your question, yes veiling a child is a form of abuse. Human beings were meant to feel the sun on their skin, the wind and rain too. Veiling causes rickets. It cut's down vision considerably, it's unbearably hot in warm seasons and it probably makes the wearer go boss-eyed before long.
Leaving aside the health issues, it's a way of branding property. If the veil was fair, men of the same faith would be compelled or encouraged to wear it. Until they do, I remain 100 per cent convinced that the veil/burkha/niqab is a nasty, sinister garment. Contrary to deluded opinion, the veil does neither prevent rape nor lessen the chances of it. Rape is about power as much as anything else and the women forced into the hideous garments of Afghanistan weren't even safe from being selected as sex slaves by the same Taliban who forced them to cover.
If an idiot over 18 wants to veil, let her, unless she wishes to enter a public building or board transport. But a child should never be veiled. There is no such thing as a 4 year old Marxist or a 4 year old Capitalist. Therefore there is no such thing as a 4 year old Muslim or Christian.

[naomi24]

Keyplus Well, there we disagree. I don't think the parents have considered the well-being of the child at all.

As for your latest post, I don't know what you're talking about.

[naomi24]

Nikki, well said.

[Octavius]

.....muppet features.....?

[China Doll]

I could have said worse, i think you got off lightly.

[Octavius]

Well then I shall remain ever grateful.