For crying out loud 1rovert, this thread was not your to start with, I was answering dartfish.......... plus we all join to give opinions and answers, if you dont like mine dont upset yourself by replying your abuse to me matters very little because i dont know you and dont wish to, and for your information i DONT drive a 4x4 for the simple reason i dont drife and never felt the need to as i have MANY friends, yes many who drive me around if need be, i dont have scores of children either, i have 2 grown up boys who are very well mannered, and yes much to your surprise DOGS can be taken into hospital for the sick not filthy cats because no one is ever sure of where they have been, and also im not an animal lover i am a dog lover