Child Abuse.

[MWB]

Too often, totally incompetent people gain possession of a helpless baby through impregnation & not having had to pass any competency tests before society throws the helpless infant into the snake pit that constitutes a home & family.
Society has to stop enabling, facilitating & sanctioning the destruction of these children.
I believe mandatory competency testing would save most of these abused & murdered children. Like a gun licence, or drivers licence - so you should need a child licence.
What do ABers think?

[Lakitu]

Lovely idea in theory, but everyone has the right to children, unfortunately.

[redcrx]

and if they dont have a licence?

[sqad617]

MWB....You have my sympathy, but the majority of the British public either do not accept the fact or takes the attitude that it can't or wont happen to me.

When will the British public wake up to the fact that there are people in the community that make AB Trolls look like Julie Andrews in the S

[sqad617]

sorry pressed wrong button

...in the Sound of Music. will anything be done.

1 in 3 female children will be sexually abused before the age of 15.........so in a classroom of 20 ....over 6 girls will be sexually abused.

[Lakitu]

How could you enforce such a thing though, Squad?

It would be a day in Utopia if it were to happen, but I can't see how. How do you deem who is going to be good parents and bad parents?

How could I be given a test and from that be punished before the crime?

[Ethel]

And how would you enforce it?

Compulsory abortions, compulsory contraception?

How many car drivers on the road have either never held a licence or are ignoring their driving ban?

I don't know where you get your figures from, Squad, but I trust the NSPCC:

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NSPCC research shows that a significant minority of children suffer serious abuse or neglect:

* 7% of children experienced serious physical abuse at the hands of their parents or carers during childhood.
* 1% of children experienced sexual abuse by a parent or carer and another 3% by another relative during childhood.
* 11% of children experienced sexual abuse by people known but unrelated to them. 5% of children experienced sexual abuse by an adult stranger or someone they had just met'.
* 6% of children experienced serious absence of care at home during childhood.
* 6% of children experienced frequent and severe emotional maltreatment during childhood.1

[BillySugger]

Totally agree , although I have been called a Nazi for suggesting it . Unfortunately unworkable .

[jno]

you might have to wear an L plate for a while, redcrx, possibly attached to some intimate place where prospective partners couldn't miss it. You'd also have to show it to be allowed into pubs and clubs.

[sqad617]

Ethel
http://www.essortment.com/all/signsofsexual_rx xy.htm
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/800770-o verviehttp://www.aafp.org/afp/20010301/883.htm l

The above sites give figures of sex abuse in female children indicating I out of 3 children. These are medical statistics and may not be reported to the autorities,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/jan/19/ nspcc-sexual-abuse
http://www.nspcc.org.uk/whatwedo/mediacentre/m ediabriefings/policy/Sexual_Offences_Act_2003_ wda40640.html

The above 2 sites are from the UK commented upon by you and the last site has your statistics.
1% parent or carer
3% another relative
11% known but unrelated
5% Adult stranger

NSPCC said 72% didn�t tell anyone

Sexual abuse is indeed a big deal.

We should not stick our heads into the sand and pretend that is insignificant....it isnot.

[sqad617]

lakitu.....I do not know how one would enforce it, but to prevent it one must always keep a high degree of suspicion.

[Ethel]

I do realise that sexual abuse of children is a huge problem - I have worked voluntarily with young people for many many years.

Your first link doesn't work and your second link doesn't support the statistics you quoted.

[Ethel]

As I understand it the medical authorities are compelled to report finding of sexual abuse in minors

[sqad617]

No I didn't think they would.

[terambulan]

China did it......but that's not an example to follow.

Children are abused around the world......we might consider it horrendous in West but in other countries 'tis the norm.

[MrJolly]

Very well put MWB and very easily accomplished.
For all those who fail the test see below.
Firstly, enforced sterilisation of all women or men who are unable to financially and emotionally support the children they already have and too stupid to stop adding to the ever increasing population of the underclass but continue to breed because having another baby is simply a lifestyle choice. I guess it beats getting a job.
Secondly, a two tier approach to child abusers, both sexual and physical. First offence = 10 years jail and sterilisation, second offence = capital punishment.

[pinktwink]

MWB your views are quite radical and a bit like hitlers time get rid of those you dont believe fit societal norms.
People have the right to have a family and at the end of a day a child has been the turning point for some people who may be prohibited under your regime.Abuse does not only occur in the family so how do you gauge for extra familial abuse??
What about those that pass the test and get pregnant??? Do you suggest dening children the right to be brought up by their own family whilst offering support to societys members that struggle. This is like identity theft to children in these circumstances.
Childrens ties to their families run very deep even in the face of adversity and abuse.
Surely it would be better for society to equip people with the skills necessary to parent offering more parenting programmes. I could go on but working with children who are seperated from their natural families I see to clearly the effects

[MWB]

So "Pinktwink", society leaves the child in the "family" home because he/she still loves daddy despite the incest & mummy looking the other way? Or the child says they will just have to not be so naughty, so as not to get thrashed.

And a convicted paedophile or child killer may have their lives turned round by having children of their own!

Surely children are better off out of an abusive home?!

If they don't get a child licence "redcrx" - no kids allowed. Yes, contraception from birth in the form of a device implanted in the body. Only taken out when they have got the licence.

Ethel - you say medical authorities are compelled to report abuse? Compelled is an odd word, unless you mean they feel compelled by themselves & not just because the state says they must.

This whole premise may appear draconian, facist or unable to be enforced or unworkable - to some.

The media is full of stories of child abuse, & every time it's discussed - What went wrong, how can we, as a society, prevent this, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum. And still nothing that works, is done.

Easy. Get tough. Zero tolerance. Protect the innocent. Stop pussy footing round, stop being, or listening to civil libertarians. Get real. Accept it has to be done. It MUST NOT be allowed to continue.

[pinktwink]

read my thread MWB before misquoting me I did not nor do I propose turning a blind eye to abuse. Removing a child from an abusive home is very tragic albeit necessary. However it is equally possible to get the abusing parent to leave and support the non abusing parent to keep the family and children together which ultimatly is best for them and society. Children also suffer abuse outside the family home as well which you have not addressed.

Nor do i say a paedophile is turned around by having a child . What I said was some of there were instances whereby people deemed unsuitable under your regime due to say drug use etc may and do turn their lives around when a child is brought in to the equation. It is often the straw to break a cycle of previously destructive behaviour.

Children are better off when an abuser is removed from the family home rather than them. Care is as much of a problem as it is a solution. Too often children leave care ill prepared and the cost on society, the tax payer the family and individuals is tremendous.
As i said perhaps it would be more humane to offer help and support.

Besides you havent answered how you propose to implement your ideas. You can not enfore contraception on females besides it is not 100 percent. And at what age would you propose this occur given teenage pregnancies.

You talk about what society could do well for one report abuse to the authorities when they have concerns rather than note after the fact they had suspicions

[JockSporran]

No, a so-called child licence? No way.

The society we live in, i.e. an urban, industrialised, technological, consumer society will affect the way families bring up children. More primitive socities (though they had technological and economic drawbacks) didn't have the same problems.

I think we require social planning, but child licensing is not the way.

[MWB]

Obviously many ABers don't like the idea of "a child licence". And the "device under the skin from birth" (for both sexes) as contraception. (The USA use these devices & they work.)

Then what solution, that will actually WORK, can be implemented? Bearing in mind, the soft, touchy feelie, "we must keep the family unit together" ********, doesn't work "enough" either.

I am so sickened by this abuse. Until a workable solution is found, it's continuing.

So why not try a drastic "regime?"