So he was wearing a denim jacket after all

[Dom Tuk]

The family says he was wearing a denim jacket and not a large coat. He also did not jump over the barrier but used his pass. So who is lying here??. And the armed gunmen (oops police) are on holiday paid for and okayed by the other Blair. The mind boggles.

[acw]

Indeed - shoot-to-kill, which has an operation name that i've forgotten, came in about 6 months after 9/11. 

[Oneeyedvic]

BDW - "why were these people not protesting against Muslim terrorists....."

One good reason - becasue people don't know who to protest to - terrorists by their nature don't advertise their headquarters......unless of course you are assuming that all Muslims are terrorists, and people should demonstrate outside Mosques.

Incidentally, i beleive people did demonstrate as best they could against the bombings by having a silence on 14/7/05.

[acw]

Oneeyedvic - careful not to get BDW confused with 10ClarionSt now! :-)

Not trying to detract from your point or your opinion mind you! :-)

[BigDogsWang]

Of course I am not assuming all Muslims are terrorists. In the same way I do not assume all Irish men are members of the IRA. I feel ashamed to be English sometimes, when I see the pathetic reaction from ill educated idiotic morons who think that attacking someone's culture / religion because of a few dissidents, will solve anything.

[acw]

BDW - it's not just English people who make that mistake though, sadly.  Many Americans made it too after 9/11.  I try to remain proud of being English (well, 3/4 English anyway!!!) by remembering that these racist idiots aren't even worthy of being classed as human beings - of any nationality at all!!!

[Oneeyedvic]

BDW - Not sure that I understand why you  feel ashamed of being English?

 

I also apologise if I inferred in anyway that you are racist. I certainly didn't mean to.

[mullein1]

the family seem to say a lot of things including his visa was up to date ..when it expired 2 years ago!!he had a baggy coat on and he obviously ran because he knew he was here illegally..if he had been carrying explosives then he would have killed many people..at the end of the day he has no one to blame except himself..

[acw]

True true Mullein! (And welcome, by the way!) 

One can't help but remember that he really shouldn't have still been in the country in the first place, and if he'd been home in Brazil, he would never have been shot by British police.  Obviously the Brazilian police may have shot him, that does seem to happen a lot!!!

[natalie_1982]

I agree with acw, it seems that everyone is there to point the finger and fault the police force but would you want to do it?

I wouldn't even consider being a CBO on my own estate, let alone an armed officer in the midst of a terrorist attack.

The Officers made a tragic mistake in shooting Mr Menesez (sp?), but they had to make a split second decision.

I back the pollice force 100%, but the only thing I've found really odd was the amount of times they shot him in the head.  Surely as a trained armed officer you should be able to take someone down with one shot especially if there are two other officers holding the 'offender' down?

[acw]

Natalie - I had wondered about that - but there's a simple answer: if two or more officers shoot to kill at the same moment, you will never know who actually killed the person.  That way no-one can be blamed.  The background is in tort law, but it has criminal law applicability too. 

It's standard practice.  Think of The Green Mile and how they all took a part in the executions - that way no single person had committed the murder. 

[Andy008]

Two years I was arrested for something I did not. The case against me was eventually dropped. I subsequently complained to the relevant parties, and investigations were conducted. The version of events differs greatly between mine, and those of the arresting officers. They cannot prove that I was wrong, but neither can I they.

The man is dead - i.e. not coming back, ever, per se, period. The only people who know what happened are those that were that there. We were not there, so we do not know what happened. A sad loss of life but these things happen.

[Chessman]

Sounds like we almost think alike, what i'd like to kmow, is if the police thought he had explosives under his jacket, why didn't they stop him getting on the bus.