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Is this the type of thing they should be teaching in our schools?
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andy-hughes
Excellent post Andy, but it could have done without the usual Daily Mail jibes.
/// They all get accepted and blended in because that is how society evolves ///
But not for the better I'm afraid, one would think that with all the lectures, documentaries, Government commercials and all other manner of teachings, one would think that we would be improving, but that is just not the case.
/// - don't lets get too carried away with the notion of a sexual armageddon - its not happened yet ... nor is it showing any serious signs. ///
Honestly Andy, do you really believe that perhaps not an Armageddon maybe, but something close to a complete moral breakdown.
Theodore Roosevelt wrote, "To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society".
In your reference to Soaps and Films etc.
Back in my days, when a man and woman actor were filmed in bed together, the male always kept one foot on the ground.
Didn't do us any harm, except that I do get cold feet.
Excellent post Andy, but it could have done without the usual Daily Mail jibes.
/// They all get accepted and blended in because that is how society evolves ///
But not for the better I'm afraid, one would think that with all the lectures, documentaries, Government commercials and all other manner of teachings, one would think that we would be improving, but that is just not the case.
/// - don't lets get too carried away with the notion of a sexual armageddon - its not happened yet ... nor is it showing any serious signs. ///
Honestly Andy, do you really believe that perhaps not an Armageddon maybe, but something close to a complete moral breakdown.
Theodore Roosevelt wrote, "To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society".
In your reference to Soaps and Films etc.
Back in my days, when a man and woman actor were filmed in bed together, the male always kept one foot on the ground.
Didn't do us any harm, except that I do get cold feet.
"Honestly Andy, do you really believe that perhaps not an Armageddon maybe, but something close to a complete moral breakdown."
Yes I do - and I believe it because our perception of it as a society is informed almost entirely by a media which has a raison d'etre of selling.
Our media has followed that of the U.S. in pandering to our fears as a society - loss of identity, of freedom, of in vasion, of moral breakdown, and I honestly believe that such fear-mongering is morally wrong.
I am happy to conclude that apart from the sort of isolated extremes that have always been reported - because society noodling along doing ok thanks is never going to sell papers - that we are doing pretty OK, and in spite of our media's atempt to frighten us into thinking otherwise, there is no mass sinister plot for foreigners to take over, for the internet to utterly corrupt a generation - society has always been populated by far more good and decvent people than bad, and while that continues to be the case, we have little to seriously - and i do mean seriously - worry about.
Yes I do - and I believe it because our perception of it as a society is informed almost entirely by a media which has a raison d'etre of selling.
Our media has followed that of the U.S. in pandering to our fears as a society - loss of identity, of freedom, of in vasion, of moral breakdown, and I honestly believe that such fear-mongering is morally wrong.
I am happy to conclude that apart from the sort of isolated extremes that have always been reported - because society noodling along doing ok thanks is never going to sell papers - that we are doing pretty OK, and in spite of our media's atempt to frighten us into thinking otherwise, there is no mass sinister plot for foreigners to take over, for the internet to utterly corrupt a generation - society has always been populated by far more good and decvent people than bad, and while that continues to be the case, we have little to seriously - and i do mean seriously - worry about.
Zeuhl
Well what can one say??????????
/// Under age pregnancies are now reducing in UK. ///
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/// They started to rise after 60s liberation brought about largely by the pill; ///
That's strange, wasn't the pill suppose to prevent pregnancies?
/// In the 1950s and before most girls were terrified of premarital sex because of the stigma of pregnancy. ///
/// Controlling a society by fear and stigma isn't something to be happy about. At the risk of 'generalising' the 50s was characterised by any number of nasty, dark fears and stigmas we are well rid of:
/// fear of incurable diseases, /// Makes sense surely?
/// fear of unwarranted dismissal /// One would be a fool not to be.
/// fear of being trapped in a bad marriage /// And persons are happy about that these days are they?
/// fear of prejudice and injustice /// There are now laws about this, which there wasn't in the 50s.
/// fear of arbitrary dismissal /// See fear of unwarranted dismissal.
/// fear that our idiot leaders were about to drag everyone into another world war that would destroy another generation as had happened twice before within just 40 years. /// And that fear still exists today, or are you forever the optimist?
All these fears are surely a good thing, are not most humans made terrified of something or other, which helps to prevent us from doing various things that are harmful to our being?
Strange that you know so much about the 40s, 50s and 60s, read about them somewhere have we?
Well what can one say??????????
/// Under age pregnancies are now reducing in UK. ///
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/// They started to rise after 60s liberation brought about largely by the pill; ///
That's strange, wasn't the pill suppose to prevent pregnancies?
/// In the 1950s and before most girls were terrified of premarital sex because of the stigma of pregnancy. ///
/// Controlling a society by fear and stigma isn't something to be happy about. At the risk of 'generalising' the 50s was characterised by any number of nasty, dark fears and stigmas we are well rid of:
/// fear of incurable diseases, /// Makes sense surely?
/// fear of unwarranted dismissal /// One would be a fool not to be.
/// fear of being trapped in a bad marriage /// And persons are happy about that these days are they?
/// fear of prejudice and injustice /// There are now laws about this, which there wasn't in the 50s.
/// fear of arbitrary dismissal /// See fear of unwarranted dismissal.
/// fear that our idiot leaders were about to drag everyone into another world war that would destroy another generation as had happened twice before within just 40 years. /// And that fear still exists today, or are you forever the optimist?
All these fears are surely a good thing, are not most humans made terrified of something or other, which helps to prevent us from doing various things that are harmful to our being?
Strange that you know so much about the 40s, 50s and 60s, read about them somewhere have we?
andy-hughes
/// Our media has followed that of the U.S. in pandering to our fears as a society - loss of identity, of freedom, of in vasion, of moral breakdown, and I honestly believe that such fear-mongering is morally wrong. ///
I believe we should be fearful of our loss of identity, our freedom (especially), and is it not wise to be fearful of invasion, (or is it already too late)? Should we not also be fearful of another terrorist attack or is this also just fear-mongering in your mind?
/// there is no mass sinister plot for foreigners to take over, ///
Isn't that what the EU is all about, they have already taken over, and don't you believe that Islam wouldn't given half the chance?
/// for the internet to utterly corrupt a generation ///
We haven't yet got the results from this.
/// society has always been populated by far more good and decvent people than bad ///
I wouldn't go as far as 'always' but I get your gist.
/// and while that continues to be the case, we have little to seriously - and i do mean seriously - worry about. ///
The worry being, is the fact that the gap between those that are good and those that are bad is getting smaller.
/// Our media has followed that of the U.S. in pandering to our fears as a society - loss of identity, of freedom, of in vasion, of moral breakdown, and I honestly believe that such fear-mongering is morally wrong. ///
I believe we should be fearful of our loss of identity, our freedom (especially), and is it not wise to be fearful of invasion, (or is it already too late)? Should we not also be fearful of another terrorist attack or is this also just fear-mongering in your mind?
/// there is no mass sinister plot for foreigners to take over, ///
Isn't that what the EU is all about, they have already taken over, and don't you believe that Islam wouldn't given half the chance?
/// for the internet to utterly corrupt a generation ///
We haven't yet got the results from this.
/// society has always been populated by far more good and decvent people than bad ///
I wouldn't go as far as 'always' but I get your gist.
/// and while that continues to be the case, we have little to seriously - and i do mean seriously - worry about. ///
The worry being, is the fact that the gap between those that are good and those that are bad is getting smaller.
ummmm
/// You don't know what happened in your day other than from the people you were directly in contact with. ///
Please read what you put first put, before coming back with such an answer.
/// sex is everywhere for the younger generation. Music videos are close to soft porn. ///
/// Blame MTV, Magazines and the internet. ///
Music videos where not around in 'my day'. neither was MTV, or the internet.
/// Body image plays a big part. Look at how many teenagers suffer with bulimia and anorexia...boys included. ///
Bulimia and anorexia? these words were unheard of 'in my day'
So please can I now repeat what I said earlier?
Would I be amiss in saying "IT NEVER HAPPENED IN MY DAY"?
/// You don't know what happened in your day other than from the people you were directly in contact with. ///
Please read what you put first put, before coming back with such an answer.
/// sex is everywhere for the younger generation. Music videos are close to soft porn. ///
/// Blame MTV, Magazines and the internet. ///
Music videos where not around in 'my day'. neither was MTV, or the internet.
/// Body image plays a big part. Look at how many teenagers suffer with bulimia and anorexia...boys included. ///
Bulimia and anorexia? these words were unheard of 'in my day'
So please can I now repeat what I said earlier?
Would I be amiss in saying "IT NEVER HAPPENED IN MY DAY"?
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AOG
/// Would you say that today's moral compass problems started in the 60s? ///
/// If that's the case, doesn't the blame lay squarely with those who are hitting or have already hit retirement age? ///
The decline may well have started in the 60s, and it has been on a very sharp decline ever since.
Incidentally the goings on of today would make the most outgoing swinger of the 60s hair curl, that is if they have any left now.
Please don't come back with examples of 60s 'celebrities' life styles, because 'celebrities' have always carried on in a different way to the ordinary person.
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/// Would you say that today's moral compass problems started in the 60s? ///
/// If that's the case, doesn't the blame lay squarely with those who are hitting or have already hit retirement age? ///
The decline may well have started in the 60s, and it has been on a very sharp decline ever since.
Incidentally the goings on of today would make the most outgoing swinger of the 60s hair curl, that is if they have any left now.
Please don't come back with examples of 60s 'celebrities' life styles, because 'celebrities' have always carried on in a different way to the ordinary person.
Are you saying that there was no eating disorders in YOUR day? If you are then you are wrong!
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indeed, there was a great deal of debate in the 19th century about wasp waists
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I can't blame aog for not being around in the 19th century to hear about it, but it's rash to claim there were no eating disorders until last week.
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I can't blame aog for not being around in the 19th century to hear about it, but it's rash to claim there were no eating disorders until last week.
ummmm
/// Are you saying that there was no eating disorders in YOUR day? If you are then you are wrong! ///
I did not say eating disorders did not exist in my day, but what I did say was,
Bulimia and anorexia? these words were unheard of 'in my day'
Taken from the site you provided.
/// “anorexia nervosa” as a term is a relatively new, ///
/// the clinical term “bulimia” (“bous”-ox, “limous”-hunger) nervosa entered the English language in 1977. ///
/// Are you saying that there was no eating disorders in YOUR day? If you are then you are wrong! ///
I did not say eating disorders did not exist in my day, but what I did say was,
Bulimia and anorexia? these words were unheard of 'in my day'
Taken from the site you provided.
/// “anorexia nervosa” as a term is a relatively new, ///
/// the clinical term “bulimia” (“bous”-ox, “limous”-hunger) nervosa entered the English language in 1977. ///
ummmm
/// You said..
"Would I be amiss in saying "IT NEVER HAPPENED IN MY DAY"? " ///
Blimey can't you work things out for yourself without the meed for me to try and get through to you over and over again?
I will repeat again this is what I said "Bulimia and anorexia"? these words were unheard of 'in my day'
Notice that this was in reference to the words Bulimia and anorexia.
The end comment of my post said.
>>>>>So please can I now repeat what I said earlier? <<<<<
>>>Would I be amiss in saying "IT NEVER HAPPENED IN MY DAY"? <<<
Was in reference to the whole body of my post and a past one.
Now do you understand? Well perhaps not, but that is all you are getting.
/// You said..
"Would I be amiss in saying "IT NEVER HAPPENED IN MY DAY"? " ///
Blimey can't you work things out for yourself without the meed for me to try and get through to you over and over again?
I will repeat again this is what I said "Bulimia and anorexia"? these words were unheard of 'in my day'
Notice that this was in reference to the words Bulimia and anorexia.
The end comment of my post said.
>>>>>So please can I now repeat what I said earlier? <<<<<
>>>Would I be amiss in saying "IT NEVER HAPPENED IN MY DAY"? <<<
Was in reference to the whole body of my post and a past one.
Now do you understand? Well perhaps not, but that is all you are getting.
there is a common misconception with many people who have issues with change and who firmly believe that everything 'never did me any harm' etc, in that they think that just because there was no term 'coined' for some disease, malady, condition, syndrome, situation etc, means that it didnt exist, and has therefore been made up by some wishy washy doctors or whoever in order to help people 'get away with something.
the dioscovery and subsequent naming of things is called progress. its what happens when people investigate and study things - the get answers
the dioscovery and subsequent naming of things is called progress. its what happens when people investigate and study things - the get answers
They were unheard of in mine, MT, but partly because there wasn't the huge media pressure on people to conform to body shape - but they did happen, my cousin had anorexia and bulimia in about 1958. She used to sleep in a rubber suit to try to sweat fat off in the night. She hid her food - that's what it was, for sure, but they didn't call it that in those days.
<Strange that you know so much about the 40s, 50s and 60s, read about them somewhere have we? >
Yes i have.
Reading may not be top of your list of activities aog but I heartily recommend it as a way of learning things.
The notion that anyone who lives through an era is automatically knowledgeable about it is clearly nonsense as your delusional recollections of the past posted here on AB frequently demonstrate.
In fact I was born in the fifties, recall the sixties well enough and know from my own family experiences that we were well-rid of the fifties and its stultifying, old fashioned attitudes that we have largely cast off since.
Your responses suggest that you don't think things were worse then;
diseases (diptheria, rickets, tb, poor cancer recovery rates) arbitrary dismissal and prejudice (virtually no protection in law) people trapped in bad marriages (divorce laws accessible only by a wealthy minority) fear of apocalyptic wars (not seen any Cold War coverage or CND marches recently)
<All these fears are surely a good thing, are not most humans made terrified of something or other, which helps to prevent us from doing various things that are harmful to our being? >
Err NO! only if you're a w@nker.
What intelligent proactive people do is change things so the fears become meaningless and disappear
Which is what we've done over the past 50 years as you agreed in your post:
</// fear of prejudice and injustice /// There are now laws about this, which there wasn't in the 50s. >
Derr! Exactly my point. So please drop the 'things are going to hell in a hand-basket' nonsense.
If anyone wants to recreate the 50s they probably need to recreate the social context by taking us all through a world war again which would seem rather a high price to pay for schoolboys who doff their caps and women who know their place.
Yes i have.
Reading may not be top of your list of activities aog but I heartily recommend it as a way of learning things.
The notion that anyone who lives through an era is automatically knowledgeable about it is clearly nonsense as your delusional recollections of the past posted here on AB frequently demonstrate.
In fact I was born in the fifties, recall the sixties well enough and know from my own family experiences that we were well-rid of the fifties and its stultifying, old fashioned attitudes that we have largely cast off since.
Your responses suggest that you don't think things were worse then;
diseases (diptheria, rickets, tb, poor cancer recovery rates) arbitrary dismissal and prejudice (virtually no protection in law) people trapped in bad marriages (divorce laws accessible only by a wealthy minority) fear of apocalyptic wars (not seen any Cold War coverage or CND marches recently)
<All these fears are surely a good thing, are not most humans made terrified of something or other, which helps to prevent us from doing various things that are harmful to our being? >
Err NO! only if you're a w@nker.
What intelligent proactive people do is change things so the fears become meaningless and disappear
Which is what we've done over the past 50 years as you agreed in your post:
</// fear of prejudice and injustice /// There are now laws about this, which there wasn't in the 50s. >
Derr! Exactly my point. So please drop the 'things are going to hell in a hand-basket' nonsense.
If anyone wants to recreate the 50s they probably need to recreate the social context by taking us all through a world war again which would seem rather a high price to pay for schoolboys who doff their caps and women who know their place.
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