Daniel Pelka's Real Dad

[mikey4444]

My heart goes out to this poor man. Daniel looks so like him don't you think.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23557426

[boxtops]

Poor little chap - and at that age, you don't tell people what's going on at home, not unless someone asks you directly.

[emmie]

the sibling was made to lie it would seem...

[emmie]

he was seen endless times, doctors, school and social services, over a longer period than 6 months, the mother may well have been a good liar, but i don't know how you can ignore a broken arm, and two black eyes.

[boxtops]

it seems strange that other parents can have children taken off them in other local authority areas, when they present at A&E with child injuries, on suspicion of child abuse, but this mother was able to lie her way out of every incident involving Daniel.

I guess we shouldn't speculate until the Serious Case Review reports.

[ummmm]

Em - kids break bones. A&E is full of them.

[emmie]

but generally it doesn't keep on happening, he sustained more injuries than would be expected, a broken arm is one thing, and bruising, black eyes, and weighed over a stone when he died, did no one think to simply
not take the word of these two..

if a woman presented herself to the police with those sustained injuries, chances are she would have been shown to the nearest refuge for battered women. Because he was only 4 how could he, but others noticed and did nothing.

[emmie]

we will have to wait for the serious case review, but in sincerely don't understand this case at all.

[emmie]

people in violent relationship may not actively harm their children, i expect some do, however that marital, relationship violence seeps through to the children one way or another.

[playersdigger]

I haven't been following this case.I found it far too distressing. However my first thoughts to the askers question and link was if the child had a real Father what was the problem,but I clearly don't know the full story ? Its another case like Baby Peter.

[emmie]

it is like the baby P case, and if you read the responses it will give some clue to what was happening, not all, but some

[pixie373]

I don't particularly feel sorry for the dad. He also had a responsibility to look after his son and keep him safe. He let him down as well.

[shaneystar2]

Whatever happens ,and ,it'll be the usual ,.."lessons will be learnt etc " someones head will roll and that will be it .I'm glad that pair will rot in prison.I hope they never let them out .In my heart of hearts I'd wish worse for them but we have to let justice take it's course .
You would have thought that after baby P and other child abuse murders that social workers ,teachers etc would have been more on the ball at signs of abuse .They must have been very devious and accomplished liars to get past anyone asking questions .
He was such a little darling looking at his photo ....how could anyone treat a little child like that .It beggars belief .Bless him .

[mikey4444]

Pixie...can't agree with you at all. This dreadful woman and her partner were extremely clever in hiding all that went on. Also, as has been said earlier today, this abuse happened in a short time, not spread over years.

One aspect that I hope the case review will recommend is some joined-up thinking in the future. If the police, school, social services, and perhaps the neighbours concerns had been put together, in one place, then enough alarm bells would have been rung. Instead, one hand didn't know know what all the others were doing. This has been found before on previous cases involving cruelty to kids but we appear to have learned very little.

[emmie]

don't look at the link if you don't want to know the full extent of his injuries, i can't see how anyone missed some of these. I read this before and since, and still wonder how anyone could do it, monsters the pair of them

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/daniel-pelka-trial-list-injuries-2109767