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Anjem Choudary
Just to let people know, Anjem Choudary is just about to be interviewed
on the Today program. Given this chaps previous stance on Islamic extremism, it should make interesting listening !
on the Today program. Given this chaps previous stance on Islamic extremism, it should make interesting listening !
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Absolutely - But winding up the easilly lead into vicious violent rages is exactly the tactics of people like that He leads you by the nose into one of your anti-muslim furys and you're just too angry to see it. Nothing he'd like more than for you and YMB to set fire to a few mosques I'd say Nothing messes with his agenda more than local muslims serving tea and...
08:52 Fri 20th Dec 2013
jno
post breakfast rant, you should know that one is allowed an opinion on this site as long as it doesn't break any rules, or upset the apple cart. so i don't think the many who are rather in agreement are ranting, they like me have thoughts on Choudary and his followers, of which there are many, which seems a terrible shame, but you know in our little liberal country we welcome all, have freedom of speech, democracy, something denied to many in the world, good thing we live here eh?
post breakfast rant, you should know that one is allowed an opinion on this site as long as it doesn't break any rules, or upset the apple cart. so i don't think the many who are rather in agreement are ranting, they like me have thoughts on Choudary and his followers, of which there are many, which seems a terrible shame, but you know in our little liberal country we welcome all, have freedom of speech, democracy, something denied to many in the world, good thing we live here eh?
Gromit
/// Comparing Choudray to Hitler is just plain barmy. ///
/// If you think he is going to grow his minibus load of acolytes into a vast army and threaten the world, then you are more deluded than he is. ///
You take my comparison to Hitler far too far, no one least myself is suggesting that Choudary will raise an army capable of threatening the world, but you cannot rule out that the more Muslims who are prepared to listen to his ramblings the more dangerous it becomes in this country.
/// Comparing Choudray to Hitler is just plain barmy. ///
/// If you think he is going to grow his minibus load of acolytes into a vast army and threaten the world, then you are more deluded than he is. ///
You take my comparison to Hitler far too far, no one least myself is suggesting that Choudary will raise an army capable of threatening the world, but you cannot rule out that the more Muslims who are prepared to listen to his ramblings the more dangerous it becomes in this country.
how does anyone know how many followers this man has, just because a dozen come out the woodwork to wave their placards, doesn't mean to say he doesn't go around the mosques and preach his brand of Islam.
Not to mention his clear association with various Muslim Clerics over the years, he has been around a long time - he didn't just pop out of a cracker and start having a go.
Not to mention his clear association with various Muslim Clerics over the years, he has been around a long time - he didn't just pop out of a cracker and start having a go.
Ron, //Here is one of our bretherin who is extremely unhappy living in this dreadful country & obviously wishes he could live amongst people who practice Sharia law & think the same as him.//
That's exactly what he wants, but he wants it here. When asked this morning why he doesn't go and live in a country ruled by Sharia he said no country is ruled completely by Sharia and hasn't been for over 80 years. Clearly those that do implement Sharia Law do not implement it strictly enough to suit him. He also said that he does not believe in democracy, so you have to question just who he has in mind to rule his planned Utopia.
Simon Israel, the Home Affairs correspondent for Channel 4 said yesterday his worry is that upon their return, this country's security services won’t be able to keep track of the several hundred British Jihadists who have gone to fight in Syria. There are plenty at home - and abroad - who are willing to blow up a bus, or a tube train, or to do what Lee Rigby's murderers did - and although it might seem rather smart to dismiss them as a small bunch of religious nutters, in truth this group is not so small, and we dismiss their mindset at our peril.
That's exactly what he wants, but he wants it here. When asked this morning why he doesn't go and live in a country ruled by Sharia he said no country is ruled completely by Sharia and hasn't been for over 80 years. Clearly those that do implement Sharia Law do not implement it strictly enough to suit him. He also said that he does not believe in democracy, so you have to question just who he has in mind to rule his planned Utopia.
Simon Israel, the Home Affairs correspondent for Channel 4 said yesterday his worry is that upon their return, this country's security services won’t be able to keep track of the several hundred British Jihadists who have gone to fight in Syria. There are plenty at home - and abroad - who are willing to blow up a bus, or a tube train, or to do what Lee Rigby's murderers did - and although it might seem rather smart to dismiss them as a small bunch of religious nutters, in truth this group is not so small, and we dismiss their mindset at our peril.
Choudhary was at the trial and sentencing of the soldiers who were found guilty of firebombing the mosques (on the principal that the death of Rigby was the fault of any Muslim they could find). Their thinking seems the same as Choudhary's - tarring everyone with the same brush. BBC News just now showed a representative Imam at Friday prayers condemning the action entirely.
I am listening to Any Questions on Radio 4 tonight, and the conclusion that the Panel comes to was it was OK to invite Choudary on to the Today Program. And when the audience was asked the same question, they agreed.
But when the discussion was opened out, it all got a bit untidy, as you expect with such a difficult subject.
Just shows how complicated has become !
But when the discussion was opened out, it all got a bit untidy, as you expect with such a difficult subject.
Just shows how complicated has become !
"Choudary is a self-serving publicity seeker" "It was wrong [of the BBC] to give Choudary the oxygen of publicity; while mainstream Muslims were left voiceless; to influence impressionable young people on the fringes of society".
Who said that? The Muslim Council of Great Britain, the largest Muslim organisation in Britain, through their spokesman [The Times, 21/12/ 13]
Who said that? The Muslim Council of Great Britain, the largest Muslim organisation in Britain, through their spokesman [The Times, 21/12/ 13]
Fred, mainstream Muslims weren’t left voiceless. On Thursday and Friday I saw two separate interviews featuring Muslim leaders condemning the killers of Lee Rigby. Interestingly, in the Radio 4 interview, when told that The Muslim Council of Great Britain condemns the murderers, Choudary said that they are in the pay of the British government – but madmen like him are big on conspiracy theories. That's why they will tell you that Muslims weren't responsible for 9/11. I’m willing to bet that if any moderate Muslim spokesman wanted to have his say, the media would be very happy to give him a platform from which to air his views. It’s a pity more don’t elect to do so.
Personally, I don’t think it was wrong of the BBC to interview Choudary. I’d far rather we were aware of the bile he’s spouting than allow him to continue to poison susceptible minds surreptitiously. Whilst his publicly aired discourses doubtless impress some, I think they engender more opposition than support. ‘Know your enemy’ isn’t a bad tenet - and he, by exposing to the nation the twisted mindset that belongs only to fundamentalist Islam, becomes his own worst enemy. No one in their right mind – Muslim or otherwise – would choose to live in the sort of society he and his cohorts aspire to.
Personally, I don’t think it was wrong of the BBC to interview Choudary. I’d far rather we were aware of the bile he’s spouting than allow him to continue to poison susceptible minds surreptitiously. Whilst his publicly aired discourses doubtless impress some, I think they engender more opposition than support. ‘Know your enemy’ isn’t a bad tenet - and he, by exposing to the nation the twisted mindset that belongs only to fundamentalist Islam, becomes his own worst enemy. No one in their right mind – Muslim or otherwise – would choose to live in the sort of society he and his cohorts aspire to.
Interesting figures from Tom Chivers at the Telegraph
"He has, for instance, 6,700 Twitter followers – around half that, to pick an example pretty much at random, of Julian Huppert, the Lib Dem MP for Cambridge. His YouTube channel, in which he talks about the establishment of an Islamic caliphate, has 1,300 subscribers. For comparison, the Slow Mo Guys, two British public schoolboys who blow stuff up and film it on a super-high-speed camera and say "dude" a lot, have somewhat over three million."
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"He has, for instance, 6,700 Twitter followers – around half that, to pick an example pretty much at random, of Julian Huppert, the Lib Dem MP for Cambridge. His YouTube channel, in which he talks about the establishment of an Islamic caliphate, has 1,300 subscribers. For comparison, the Slow Mo Guys, two British public schoolboys who blow stuff up and film it on a super-high-speed camera and say "dude" a lot, have somewhat over three million."
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