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Why are people afraid of, and frowned upon for, speaking out against Muslim extremists? They don't have any qualms doing much worse to the rest of society
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/But it is perfectly reasonable for people to be wary of the followers of a faith that have committed many acts of barbarism recently. Yes the peaceful one's are going to take a certain amount of flack but that can't be helped/
I agree aog, that is only to be expected and the few Muslims I know say they accept that. It is exacerbated because many Muslims in this country have made only limited moves toward integration and because some attacks have been made by people who had seemingly integrated.
Attacks are of course extremism from a small minority but that doesn't help alleviate rightful concern when people have a 'higher' duty than the well being of their fellow citizens.
/// The actions of the IRA were clearly not advocated and supported by the vast majority of Catholics, ///
That is an interesting parallel, because (as a sample of one) my late FIL was Irish, had lived in UK since coming over to work here during WW2 and you couldn't wish to meet a more gentlemanly, cultured, peaceful and intelligent person.
Yet, Mrs Zeuhl is clear that though he would not have hurt someone directly, he cheered when The Grand Hotel was blown up and is convinced that back in the 'troubles' if 'the boys' had approached him and asked him to transport some 'goods' for them, he'd have asked no questions.
I agree aog, that is only to be expected and the few Muslims I know say they accept that. It is exacerbated because many Muslims in this country have made only limited moves toward integration and because some attacks have been made by people who had seemingly integrated.
Attacks are of course extremism from a small minority but that doesn't help alleviate rightful concern when people have a 'higher' duty than the well being of their fellow citizens.
/// The actions of the IRA were clearly not advocated and supported by the vast majority of Catholics, ///
That is an interesting parallel, because (as a sample of one) my late FIL was Irish, had lived in UK since coming over to work here during WW2 and you couldn't wish to meet a more gentlemanly, cultured, peaceful and intelligent person.
Yet, Mrs Zeuhl is clear that though he would not have hurt someone directly, he cheered when The Grand Hotel was blown up and is convinced that back in the 'troubles' if 'the boys' had approached him and asked him to transport some 'goods' for them, he'd have asked no questions.
sorry for the annoyance T3
but clearly the point i was making went straight over your head.
'revels in terrorist violence!'
people with a loyalty beyond our shores will not see it as that, which was the point of revealing that personal anecdote pertinent to the 'Muslim extremists' in our midst debate.
My late FIL was 'gentlemanly, cultured, peaceful and intelligent'
we need to appreciate that people like that may view 'terrorism' as 'a just war', a 'fight for freedom' 'an heroic struggle' and that the Gestapo's 'terrorists' were what we refer to as 'The Resistance' or 'Partisans'
Unless we have the intelligence to appreciate that we will fail to protect ourselves from such people; Muslim or otherwise
but clearly the point i was making went straight over your head.
'revels in terrorist violence!'
people with a loyalty beyond our shores will not see it as that, which was the point of revealing that personal anecdote pertinent to the 'Muslim extremists' in our midst debate.
My late FIL was 'gentlemanly, cultured, peaceful and intelligent'
we need to appreciate that people like that may view 'terrorism' as 'a just war', a 'fight for freedom' 'an heroic struggle' and that the Gestapo's 'terrorists' were what we refer to as 'The Resistance' or 'Partisans'
Unless we have the intelligence to appreciate that we will fail to protect ourselves from such people; Muslim or otherwise
"I am entitled to criticise my late FIL
You're not
so shut the *** up! "
I am entitled to critisice a supporter of an anti British terrorism, I don't care if he's a relative. No I won't "shut the *** up", I am entitled to my view.
"we need to appreciate that people like that may view 'terrorism' as 'a just war', a 'fight for freedom' 'an heroic struggle' and that the Gestapo's 'terrorists' were what we refer to as 'The Resistance' or 'Partisans' "
perhaps but whilst actually living in the country you are hating? that is bizarre, good enough to live in but still want it blown up, curious!
You're not
so shut the *** up! "
I am entitled to critisice a supporter of an anti British terrorism, I don't care if he's a relative. No I won't "shut the *** up", I am entitled to my view.
"we need to appreciate that people like that may view 'terrorism' as 'a just war', a 'fight for freedom' 'an heroic struggle' and that the Gestapo's 'terrorists' were what we refer to as 'The Resistance' or 'Partisans' "
perhaps but whilst actually living in the country you are hating? that is bizarre, good enough to live in but still want it blown up, curious!
I'm afraid this is exactly the problem we, and other countries have.
We welcome folk in, give then sanctuary, oftern benefits beyond the dreams of the original inhabitants and then they wish us death and destruction.
The hand wringing limp wristed liberals who make this happen have a lot to answer for if you ask me.
We welcome folk in, give then sanctuary, oftern benefits beyond the dreams of the original inhabitants and then they wish us death and destruction.
The hand wringing limp wristed liberals who make this happen have a lot to answer for if you ask me.
/perhaps but whilst actually living in the country you are hating? that is bizarre, good enough to live in but still want it blown up, curious! /
Yes, T3, the French Resistance did live in France And Irish Nationalists lived in England And believers in Sharia have been born in the UK - amazing isn't it? How people find themselves in situations which they want to change.
Anyway, I am happy to have educated you a little today T3
But I wouldn't bother applying for any jobs at MI5 if I were you just yet.
Yes, T3, the French Resistance did live in France And Irish Nationalists lived in England And believers in Sharia have been born in the UK - amazing isn't it? How people find themselves in situations which they want to change.
Anyway, I am happy to have educated you a little today T3
But I wouldn't bother applying for any jobs at MI5 if I were you just yet.
So T3 you have no issue with Irish nationalists in their own country killing British occupiers?
Your morality relies on geography?
/You anti british types do have a strange way of thinking about things! /
It's called objective reasoning.
I am very British and very pro-British
Based on the stupidity of your posts T3, I am assessing you as neither
Your morality relies on geography?
/You anti british types do have a strange way of thinking about things! /
It's called objective reasoning.
I am very British and very pro-British
Based on the stupidity of your posts T3, I am assessing you as neither
"So T3 you have no issue with Irish nationalists in their own country killing British occupiers? " - that's not what I said, I was merely pointing out that your examples are not comparable.
"Your morality relies on geography?" - no, did I say it did?
"/You anti british types do have a strange way of thinking about things! /
It's called objective reasoning. " - no it's called back tracking when you are caught out
"I am very British and very pro-British " - I've only seen evidence of the opposite.
"Based on the stupidity of your posts T3, I am assessing you as neither" - more objective reasoning?
"Your morality relies on geography?" - no, did I say it did?
"/You anti british types do have a strange way of thinking about things! /
It's called objective reasoning. " - no it's called back tracking when you are caught out
"I am very British and very pro-British " - I've only seen evidence of the opposite.
"Based on the stupidity of your posts T3, I am assessing you as neither" - more objective reasoning?
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I wondered about the parallels with de Oirish troubles
I could never understand how de Oirish didnt mind being employed here and taking the Queens money working in the NHS and so on
and still cheer when people were blown up. The one I remember was the Oirish cheering when old mountbatten and the child were blown to smithereens
The trouble about being an English Roman Catholic is that everyone thought you were an IRA sympathiser aaaaargh !
I could never understand how de Oirish didnt mind being employed here and taking the Queens money working in the NHS and so on
and still cheer when people were blown up. The one I remember was the Oirish cheering when old mountbatten and the child were blown to smithereens
The trouble about being an English Roman Catholic is that everyone thought you were an IRA sympathiser aaaaargh !
I see T3 failed to present any evidence of my 'anti British' ness.
What a surprise LOL
Still, it's nice of him to confirm about his own lack of credibility what many of us on AB already knew.
Sorry if I abused you in an earlier post T3
By your own admission, you are more than capable of doing that for yourself.
What a surprise LOL
Still, it's nice of him to confirm about his own lack of credibility what many of us on AB already knew.
Sorry if I abused you in an earlier post T3
By your own admission, you are more than capable of doing that for yourself.
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