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Thaks for the replies,im glad that im not alone on this one....I ask moreso because of my ex,she's one of these people that needs to be with someone...she is/was reasonable and able to talk to when her new fella wasnt about but when he was, as ive said in past questions that she was very horrible to me about seeing kids,finances etc,(i want to make clear that i havent looked at her in any other way than the mother of my kids for years,if we didnt have kids i most certainly wouldnt want to be her friend,the devil incarnate) Anyway,they got matching tattoo's within weeks,and he proposed...God i dont half tell a story the long way round...Right,my only advice to her was my above asked question...that he was divorced for a reason,he dosent make an effort with his own kids,someone ****** him off for a reason,just as she did i...Anyway...4 months of marriage and he left her 3 weeks ago to move in with another woman..left her without money..etc etc..ive helped out simply because of my kids...i havent said 'i told you so' but hey folks i did tho didnt i lol....