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Is anyone having a go at going meat and dairy free just for January? If so, how is it going?
Also, would anyone try this if it was available in the UK?
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Also, would anyone try this if it was available in the UK?
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Stickybottle: "denying yourself stuff that is readily and freely available from animals that aren’t suffering whilst providing produce."
What stuff are you talking and where can I buy it ? is this stuff expensive ?
It’s called milk and honey. I haven’t heard of any cows being slaughtered for their milk nor too many oppressed bees being sold into slavery.
What stuff are you talking and where can I buy it ? is this stuff expensive ?
It’s called milk and honey. I haven’t heard of any cows being slaughtered for their milk nor too many oppressed bees being sold into slavery.
there is a solid argument that some advocados, almonds and kiwi fruit, among others, is not vegan either if honey isn't. The way that some "vegan" crops are grown is deffo not environmentally friendly! https:/
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Stickybottle, you show perfectly the ignorance that surrounds the Dairy Industry. Firstly, Cows do not give freely of thier milk. They are bred to have a calf, which is taken off them within 48 hours of birth, the male calves are often killed at this point as they have little value, if not they are kept inside and fed on powdered milk, never to see their mother again. The Milk cows are specifically bred for milk production, meaning they carry far more milk in their udders than was naturally intended, leading to pain and often mastitis. Instead of giving a steady supply and letting down milk bit by bit, to their calves, as nature intended, they have to carry literally gallons and gallons of milk around in their udders, only being emptied twice a day. All this for a product humans don't need, but like. I am neither Vegan nor Vegetarian, but everyone should know where their food originates from and then they can make their own personal choices as to what they will consume.
Been there, done that (last year) - won't be repeating this year.
During my spells of veganism or vegetarianism, I sometimes wonder about stuff advertised as vegetarian "meat" - if you are committed to not eating meat why would you want to pretend to by calling it by meat-based names - why not just straight Tofu, Tempeh, Soya, etc.
Incidentally I recently tried some vegan bacon - it was horrible and tasted more like kippers than bacon.
During my spells of veganism or vegetarianism, I sometimes wonder about stuff advertised as vegetarian "meat" - if you are committed to not eating meat why would you want to pretend to by calling it by meat-based names - why not just straight Tofu, Tempeh, Soya, etc.
Incidentally I recently tried some vegan bacon - it was horrible and tasted more like kippers than bacon.
"if you are committed to not eating meat why would you want to pretend to by calling it by meat-based names - why not just straight Tofu, Tempeh, Soya, etc."
Tribal habits/ indoctrination from birth /possible remnants from evolution (DNA components) probably contribute, and, it does no harm...but perhaps arouses guilt. {;¬]
Tribal habits/ indoctrination from birth /possible remnants from evolution (DNA components) probably contribute, and, it does no harm...but perhaps arouses guilt. {;¬]
sevenOP "Why is a vegan diet not cruelty free pixie374 ?"
because of the way the bees are treated and the way land is cleared to grow crops for the vegan market. Look at my links
For small groups of people who are willing to eat what they can get and not choose what they eat, it may be possible but not for mass conversion.
because of the way the bees are treated and the way land is cleared to grow crops for the vegan market. Look at my links
For small groups of people who are willing to eat what they can get and not choose what they eat, it may be possible but not for mass conversion.
AuntPollyGrey
Stickybottle, you show perfectly the ignorance that surrounds the Dairy Industry. Firstly, Cows do not give freely of thier milk. They are bred to have a calf, which is taken off them within 48 hours of birth, the male calves are often killed at this point as they have little value, if not they are kept inside and fed on powdered milk, never to see their mother again. The Milk cows are specifically bred for milk production, meaning they carry far more milk in their udders than was naturally intended, leading to pain and often mastitis. Instead of giving a steady supply and letting down milk bit by bit, to their calves, as nature intended, they have to carry literally gallons and gallons of milk around in their udders, only being emptied twice a day. All this for a product humans don't need, but like. I am neither Vegan nor Vegetarian, but everyone should know where their food originates from and then they can make their own personal choices as to what they will consume.
Ok champ, you win.
Stickybottle, you show perfectly the ignorance that surrounds the Dairy Industry. Firstly, Cows do not give freely of thier milk. They are bred to have a calf, which is taken off them within 48 hours of birth, the male calves are often killed at this point as they have little value, if not they are kept inside and fed on powdered milk, never to see their mother again. The Milk cows are specifically bred for milk production, meaning they carry far more milk in their udders than was naturally intended, leading to pain and often mastitis. Instead of giving a steady supply and letting down milk bit by bit, to their calves, as nature intended, they have to carry literally gallons and gallons of milk around in their udders, only being emptied twice a day. All this for a product humans don't need, but like. I am neither Vegan nor Vegetarian, but everyone should know where their food originates from and then they can make their own personal choices as to what they will consume.
Ok champ, you win.
pixie374, billions of our own living body cells die every day.
Vegans tend to avoid UNNECESSARY harm and exploitation
Yes indeed, guilt can be hard to swallow.
woofgang, I accept a vegan diet might not be cruelty free, but it is vastly less cruel than factory farmed meat and dairy diets.
Probably all living things are open to exploitation once they come into existence - including humans - and we can utilize fellow humans and other sentient living things for our survival as humanely as possible.(including the bees)
Vegans tend to avoid UNNECESSARY harm and exploitation
Yes indeed, guilt can be hard to swallow.
woofgang, I accept a vegan diet might not be cruelty free, but it is vastly less cruel than factory farmed meat and dairy diets.
Probably all living things are open to exploitation once they come into existence - including humans - and we can utilize fellow humans and other sentient living things for our survival as humanely as possible.(including the bees)
SevenOP, then that depends on your definition of "unnecessary". As I said, each to their own, and I genuinely appreciate and respect those doing "what they can"... just not the suggestion that they are doing no harm, and that their morals are any different.
We are all allowing animals to die for our own survival... and the idea that they don't count, because they are tiny, doesn't seem very "vegan".
We are all hypocrites about it really, i just don't like people pretending they aren't.
As far as I'm concerned, all animals should have the best life possible, no matter the reason for them being here. But- I realise some die for my benefit, my only objections is people who pretend they are different.
We are all allowing animals to die for our own survival... and the idea that they don't count, because they are tiny, doesn't seem very "vegan".
We are all hypocrites about it really, i just don't like people pretending they aren't.
As far as I'm concerned, all animals should have the best life possible, no matter the reason for them being here. But- I realise some die for my benefit, my only objections is people who pretend they are different.
