No Need To Have Made Arrest At School?

[Kerosene]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...d-manchester-19681382

The link may not mention it, but the Beeb news has reported that this 15 years old lad was actually arrested at school.

"..on suspicion of assisting an offender"

Perlease, lads! Even I would never have done that! I gather he has since been reeased on Bail. All his schoolmates now know his identity - and we all know what that can lead to?

The arrest: I've no doubt it was justified.
The timing: Abysmal? The place? Inappropriate, I'd say, unless there was real concern (tongue in cheek) that this kid would have absconded before he might have been nicked elsewhere?

[sir.prize]

Don't you EVER have anything nice to say?

[sherrardk]

Why does it matter where he was arrested? No doubt it would have spread around his school like wild fire that he had been arrested regardless of where it occurred.

[EcclesCake]

With social media it was probably on Facebook before he was officially charged.

BTW, I think his class mates knew his identity from Day 1 at school. If they didn't I'd like to think it was brought to the attention of the teacher taking the the register that there was an interloper in the class.

[Kerosene]

sherradk,

It DOES matter - very much so. You've surmised that "it would have spread around his school like wild fire.."

As Kenny Dalglish once famously said: "Mibbes aye...mibbes naw". But it's now guaranteed to do just that. However, had he been discreetly nicked - and there are ways of doing just that - any speculation at school would have been just that - not the certainty of the no doubt horrendous bullying and intimidation this youngster's guaranteed to face?

Even my present day colleagues can b*lls it up!

Not that I ever did, of course? (cough)

[lcg]

how do you know the exact circumstances of his arrest? perhaps he was called quietly out of class and sensibly escorted off school premises. that would be a disappointment for you.

[naomi24]

I don't think anyone can judge whether or not this was the right thing to do unless they're privy to police information.

[DTCwordfan]

so on the basis of not knowing much about this case, unless you have insider information, you are making assumptions.

I understand that you are ex blue - if so, your comments here give me an immense (lack of) confidence on the impartiality of HM's forces. I seriously hope I am wrong............

[sir.prize]

That's right DT, Kerosene is all about ASS-umptions.

Unbelievable he was in the police force.

[NOX]

As I've said before I think that's extremely questionable Sir.Prize.

[craft1948]

My brother is a retired police inspector.............we never have conversations like this.

[DTCwordfan]

can't even spell his name right, as that is the American version of Kerosine - ok, kerosene is commonly used but was originally a US trademark in its time . Hate to be a pedant over this.

[DTCwordfan]

(and in a British or European Oil co, it is spelt with an "i").

[sandyRoe]

If he's assisted the offender we all think it might be he's hardly going to be bullied.

[LazyGun]

The cynic might think that the purpose of this post is an attempt by the OP to demonstrate that he is objective and unbiased about the police - not an opinion that could be formed having read Kerosenes other recent posts about police in the news..the Hillsborough and the numerous Tomlinson/Harwood postings spring to mind.

[Kerosene]

Hang on, I wouldn't mind some of the criticism if it was in any way justified on this forum? People are forever jumping to improbable conclusions with next to no justification whatsoever.

I have in no way done that. I have repeated what our most respected broadcaster - stand by for bombs about that claim - the Beeb, has reported. I have commented on that information and given my views.

Re the suggestion that the Police may have snuck into the school and spirited this lad away in total secrecy beggars belief. As I said, had that been the plan it wouldn't have happened at school in the first place.

[DTCwordfan]

It all starts with the assumptions that you outlined, kero....and that's where we start from, so don't blame ABers. Have you proverbially shot yourself in your foot or perhaps even your ***?

//Perlease, lads! Even I would never have done that! I gather he has since been reeased on Bail. All his schoolmates now know his identity - and we all know what that can lead to?

The arrest: I've no doubt it was justified.
The timing: Abysmal? The place? Inappropriate, I'd say, unless there was real concern (tongue in cheek) that this kid would have absconded before he might have been nicked elsewhere?//

[sherrardk]

Pretty sure the police wouldn't have stormed into his classroom and dragged him out kicking and screaming. As others have said, he was probably taken to the head's office and then removed from the premises. Wouldn't matter where the boy was arrested, it would have spread like wild fire.

[sherrardk]

Have you considered that the police might have. Thought it was safer to arrest him at school rather than his home address?

[Kerosene]

sherradk,

Definitely not in my experience. Arresting someone where there are liable to be a number of others should always be avoided - if at all possible. I've already outlined why.

Also, it must be borne in mind that anyone is only ever arrested 'on suspicion' of an offence, i.e. the old 'innocent until proven guilty' maxim?
Therefore, to minimise unnecessary embarrassment, plus the very fact that this lad is classified in law as 'a juvenile' is another valid reason because if it was your son wouldn't you prefer to at least be present rather than find out from his headteacher? Or worse - from some p**s taking teenagers at the school?

Anyway, your reference about safety is understood, but I still subscribe to the view that his home address would have been the most appropriate for the reasons I've mentioned.

[sherrardk]

Ex-secondary school teacher, it happens. What are they supposed to do, wait until its hometime? Do they arrest adults at their place of work or wait until they are going home for their tea (hoping they don't murder/help conceal a murder on their way?).