And Here Come The Next Lot, Just Where Will We Put Them?

[youngmafbog]

Will we see the Bulgarians and Romanians taking over from the Poles?

How will our schools cope let alone out benefits systems that will no doubt be milked.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4742473/Load-of-bul.html

[LoftyLottie]

We have a bad work ethic as far as a lot of other countries are concerned - and I can see why. We are not the only ones, however!!!

The Germans have a good work ethic. It doesn't mean that all Germans are hard workers. I am sure there are lots of lazy ones too. But expectations are higher. And doesn't it show?

[jno]

PiedPiper, do look at the smiley ;o)

Anyone in Britain who fails to understand irony should of course be forced to emigrate at once, as he or she has plainly failed to adapt to local culture.

[ummmm]

Not lazy just not as hard working as the Eastern Europeans.

[LoftyLottie]

Thank you jno :o)

[jno]

absolutely, Lottie. In fact I think the nation's best hope is in letting Germans come here to learn slothful ways, then return home to infect their countrymen. That should bring Germany's GDP down in 20 years or so.

[LoftyLottie]

It certainly would. Good idea.

[shaneystar2]

Lol lol lol Jno :)

[NOX]

I'm sorry to say that most of my eastern European workers have a very hardworking attitude compared to the UK ones. That is a generalisation, but then so is this whole thread.

[LoftyLottie]

My Russian husband's work ethic gets on my nerves. All to do with his upbringing. He can't be seen to be doing nothing and he doesn't ever expect benefits and he won't throw anything away in case it has any further use. All to do with his family having to work for absolutely everything and scavenge for food from the wild. Not unusual for Eastern Europeans. But then that is generalision. Me on the other hand, I am a lazy Brit!! ;o)

[Bazile]

//Anyone in Britain who fails to understand irony should of course be forced to emigrate at once, as he or she has plainly failed to adapt to local culture. //

jno
I know what irony is .
It's like goldy and bronzy , only it's made out of iron.

( courtessy of Baldrick - blackadder )

[LoftyLottie]

:o)

Nothing like a bit of humour after a good argument.

[237SJ]

I don`t think you can generalise about who is hard working and who is not. Most people who go to live in another country are hard working because they go there to better themselves (and that includes British who emigrate to the USA etc). Of course we are going to think that Eastern Europeans are hard working because they come here to work (most of them anyway).

[LoftyLottie]

I think people that have really struggled to survive are often hard working and many of these E.European people have had a very hard time. If not them, then their parentrs. Surviving on virtually nothing under a hard regime is hard work. We are very lucky in this country, perhaps we have had it too good. Even now in our financial state we are not really suffering. Perhaps a bit more understanding about the rest of the world would help.

[237SJ]

I think people from any country that doesn`t have a welfare state are going to work hard because they haven`t got much to fall back on if they don`t.

[joko]

the reason many british wont do crappy jobs is because the money offered is crap - to a british person.
a polish person may consider it a good wage.

but thats the problem, the companies dont care who does the work as long as it gets done - so they offer a lower wage - because they can.

if they offered decent money, then plenty of brits would take those jobs first

[LoftyLottie]

Exactly, that is it in a nutshell. It's what I have been saying more or less all through this thread. Our welfare state has made us complacent. Other people haven't had that privilege. They have had to work otherwise they don't survive and by 'working' I don't mean just paid employment. It is difficult for us to contemplate this.

[LoftyLottie]

Joko. I sort of agree. But British people still haven't got the stamina that most Eastern Europeans have got. Even if the wages were put up, they would still not work as hard generally. And yes that is a generalisation.
There are well qualified Eastern Europeans that come over here and do crap jobs for minimum wages and don't have a roof over their head - living in cardboard cities. These include engineers, etc. with experience. I really cannot see the average Englishman these days willing to do this.

[emmie]

which is what i have also said all along. That you cannot survive on very low wages, no one can, for food, pay bills, keep a family, not in this country, not now, it just isn't possible.
we have had it so good, well that hasn't been that long has it?
My family weren't well off, we were quite poor in fact, but they worked, put food on the table and clothes on our backs. If we have had a measure of prosperity in Britain for many, it has only come in the last 50 years.
The industrial age wasn't a time of prosperity for millions, it was a time of hardship and labour, and no different if you worked on the land, hardship and labour. If things have taken a turn for the better, it has happened fairly recently in our very long island history.

[emmie]

My mother went to work at 14, as did many others, so it was a case of work or starve. Now we have a welfare state that means we don't have to send our children out to work, thank heavens for small mercies.

[237SJ]

Well that is true em. I was talking to a friend a while ago and he said he has an aunty who had three kids who are now in their 40s. None of them has ever worked. While there is a state benefit system, they don`t want to. The trouble is that those kids will, by example, teach their kids to feel the same. It`s self perpetuating. In the same way, second-generation Indians in this country could scrounge off the system but they don`t because they inherited the work ethic from their parents.