Lord Peter Mandelson, Uk Ambassador
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A Sentance So Richly Deserved.
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At last a sentence to fit the crime, he will be 75 years old before he is released.
Yesterday Tia's father said that, whatever jail sentence this monster received, he should be hanged at the end of it.
Does anyone agree?
At last a sentence to fit the crime, he will be 75 years old before he is released.
Yesterday Tia's father said that, whatever jail sentence this monster received, he should be hanged at the end of it.
Does anyone agree?
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northboy - electing to pay to imprison wrongdoers at taxpayers expense is part of the acceptance of a civilised legal system.
if you start down the road of executing prisoners because they 'cost the tax payer' - where do you draw the line?
Old people who cannot look after themselves? Premature babies? The mentally ill? The list goes on.
Because we are a civilsed society, we undertake to incarcerate our murderers, because there is no moral alternative.
if you start down the road of executing prisoners because they 'cost the tax payer' - where do you draw the line?
Old people who cannot look after themselves? Premature babies? The mentally ill? The list goes on.
Because we are a civilsed society, we undertake to incarcerate our murderers, because there is no moral alternative.
sara3
/// perhaps you should give your opinions when asking for others? ///
There are many on AB who do exactly the same, but they are not accused of saying things that they have never said.
Perhaps the poster didn't want to be seen agreeing with my previous comment,
"At last a sentence to fit the crime, he will be 75 years old before he is released"
so he thought he would make one up of his own, so that he could disagree with me?
It takes all sorts, so they say.
/// perhaps you should give your opinions when asking for others? ///
There are many on AB who do exactly the same, but they are not accused of saying things that they have never said.
Perhaps the poster didn't want to be seen agreeing with my previous comment,
"At last a sentence to fit the crime, he will be 75 years old before he is released"
so he thought he would make one up of his own, so that he could disagree with me?
It takes all sorts, so they say.
chrissa1
/// Your post didn't make it clear that you were quoting Tia's father aog. If you had quoted him, using speech commas, the post would have been clearer. ///
Oh dear Hang AOG from the nearest tree, he is guilty of not providing speech comers (inverted comers)
Anyone who could not understand that Tia's father said that, is not smart enough to be on AB,
/// Yesterday Tia's father said that, whatever jail sentence this monster received, he should be hanged at the end of it ///
/// Your post didn't make it clear that you were quoting Tia's father aog. If you had quoted him, using speech commas, the post would have been clearer. ///
Oh dear Hang AOG from the nearest tree, he is guilty of not providing speech comers (inverted comers)
Anyone who could not understand that Tia's father said that, is not smart enough to be on AB,
/// Yesterday Tia's father said that, whatever jail sentence this monster received, he should be hanged at the end of it ///
society - you make this observation - right at the top of the front page of the instruction manual for the Self-Righteous Brothers' guide to shouting ill-thought opinions in pubs - but ...
who is going to carry out this torture? You? I seriously doubt you have the courage of your convictions if actually put to the test.
It is one thing to type these knee-jerk reactions into your PC, but to actually carry them out? Really?
I think you like the idea of torture and death because you feel it would justify the impotent rage you feel as a result of this dreadful crime.
But impotent rage is not justice. Justice has no emotion, which is why it works - not perfectly, but better than the vigilante alternative.
Because that way likes a society of madmen who make their own rules anc carry out their own punishments.
Think it would stop with murderers and child abusers?
As Clint Eastwood's Dirty Harry said way back in the 1970's - "Before you know where you are, you execute your neighbour because his dog pees on your lawn ..."
That is why we have rules, and courts, and a justice system, that relies on carefully thought out legislation - because the alternative is only good if you are the one holding the crocodile clips - and who is going to guartentee that it's you?
Maybe you get the treeatment for not being self-righteous enough? Who will protect you then?
Think about it.
who is going to carry out this torture? You? I seriously doubt you have the courage of your convictions if actually put to the test.
It is one thing to type these knee-jerk reactions into your PC, but to actually carry them out? Really?
I think you like the idea of torture and death because you feel it would justify the impotent rage you feel as a result of this dreadful crime.
But impotent rage is not justice. Justice has no emotion, which is why it works - not perfectly, but better than the vigilante alternative.
Because that way likes a society of madmen who make their own rules anc carry out their own punishments.
Think it would stop with murderers and child abusers?
As Clint Eastwood's Dirty Harry said way back in the 1970's - "Before you know where you are, you execute your neighbour because his dog pees on your lawn ..."
That is why we have rules, and courts, and a justice system, that relies on carefully thought out legislation - because the alternative is only good if you are the one holding the crocodile clips - and who is going to guartentee that it's you?
Maybe you get the treeatment for not being self-righteous enough? Who will protect you then?
Think about it.
if you start down the road of executing prisoners because they 'cost the tax payer' - where do you draw the line?
Old people who cannot look after themselves? Premature babies? The mentally ill? The list goes on.
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But none of those you've listed have committed the most heinous crimes imaginable.
I've never understood the 'we don't execute people in a civilised society' viewpoint either.
A civilised society wouldn't commit crimes of this nature against children, would it?
Old people who cannot look after themselves? Premature babies? The mentally ill? The list goes on.
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But none of those you've listed have committed the most heinous crimes imaginable.
I've never understood the 'we don't execute people in a civilised society' viewpoint either.
A civilised society wouldn't commit crimes of this nature against children, would it?
Perhaps we should introduce hanging only for child murderers ? We used to have an , admittedly strange, system, of hanging only those who did certain kinds of murder e.g. shooting was one,but battering someone to death wasn't, killing a warder as a serving prisoner was one, but killing a child otherwise was not. Would hanging for the last of those satisfy the pro-hanging members of AB ?
ChillDoubt - you are confusing a civilised society with Utopia.
In an ideal world, no-one would raise a hand against anyone, ever.
But we have to deal with what we have, where we are, and with whom we share our planet - and people are not perfect, to varying degrees.
The most extreme are people like this - but if we give into a self-inflicted blood lust, we will regress to caveman days.
Don't get me wrong - as a father of three daughters, I would love to see this man cut into one-inch cubes wiht a rusty tin lid - but that is not how things can be, if we are not to degenerate into vigilante madness. I find it hard to hold onto my viewpoint at times like this - but hold it I must, because the alternative is far, far worse.
In an ideal world, no-one would raise a hand against anyone, ever.
But we have to deal with what we have, where we are, and with whom we share our planet - and people are not perfect, to varying degrees.
The most extreme are people like this - but if we give into a self-inflicted blood lust, we will regress to caveman days.
Don't get me wrong - as a father of three daughters, I would love to see this man cut into one-inch cubes wiht a rusty tin lid - but that is not how things can be, if we are not to degenerate into vigilante madness. I find it hard to hold onto my viewpoint at times like this - but hold it I must, because the alternative is far, far worse.
Capital punishment does not save money:
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Furthermore, I believe it would be harder to get a 'guilty' conviction in many cases - just how much more certain would the individual juror have to be to condemn a man or woman to death?
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Furthermore, I believe it would be harder to get a 'guilty' conviction in many cases - just how much more certain would the individual juror have to be to condemn a man or woman to death?
/I've never understood the 'we don't execute people in a civilised society' viewpoint either.
A civilised society wouldn't commit crimes of this nature against children, would it? /
sorry Chill but I don't think 'society' killed Tia - unless you are proposing a theory that society's failings somehow contributed to her death.
I would suggest that the question is:
do you think it's ok (outside of war/self defence etc) to kill someone?
I'm assuming that we don't which is why we are all appalled by and judgemental about what Hazell did
which is also why we shouldn't employ people to cold bloodedly kill people in the name of justice
Killing is either wrong or it's not.
That is the moral distinction between us and people like Stuart Hazell
A civilised society wouldn't commit crimes of this nature against children, would it? /
sorry Chill but I don't think 'society' killed Tia - unless you are proposing a theory that society's failings somehow contributed to her death.
I would suggest that the question is:
do you think it's ok (outside of war/self defence etc) to kill someone?
I'm assuming that we don't which is why we are all appalled by and judgemental about what Hazell did
which is also why we shouldn't employ people to cold bloodedly kill people in the name of justice
Killing is either wrong or it's not.
That is the moral distinction between us and people like Stuart Hazell
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