A Sentance So Richly Deserved.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324254/Tia-Sharps-killer-Stuart-Hazell-jailed-38-years-parole.html

At last a sentence to fit the crime, he will be 75 years old before he is released.

Yesterday Tia's father said that, whatever jail sentence this monster received, he should be hanged at the end of it.

Does anyone agree?

[Mamyalynne]

My answer remains no.

[jim360]

Yes -- although I'm pretty sure I would think differently, the point is that personal feelings shouldn't really come into justice.

[Zeuhl]

/for their crime they'll receive the utmost care and protection whilst enjoying 3 square meals a day and enjoy watching TV for the rest of their natural lives./

Chill

I tell you what

Go and ask 'Homeless People' if they would like to swap places and spend the next 30-odd years stuck in a stinking cell, with no choices on where they go, who they mix with, what they eat

See how many say yes

[ummmm]

People who think prisons are easy going know nothing about prisons.

[jim360]

I often think that prison life is a bit like mine at the moment, only without the freedom bit. I can tell you that watching TV for most of the day, or randomly surfing the (what would be heavily moderated) net, or playing computer games, gets boring very quickly. Imagine not even being able to walk out whenever. No, Prison is not an easy ride at all.

[Zeuhl]

/so aber's who say no to capitol punishment, what if it was your daughter or son or sister mother, or wife who had be defiled and murdered, still say no to the death penalty../

Yawn

So justice and sentences should be set by victims, those directly involved and no doubt emotionally motivated beyond rationality?

Rather than objectively and rationally?

Interesting fender - good luck living in that society and just hope your 'son or daughter' doesn't scratch the car paintwork of someone who thinks their motor is the most important thing in the world

[ChillDoubt]

Go and ask 'Homeless People' if they would like to swap places and spend the next 30-odd years stuck in a stinking cell, with no choices on where they go, who they mix with, what they eat
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Yeah, like homeless people also have to suffer the agony of such 'choices' because I daresay most can't decide between lobster or foie gras of an evening!
And since when did a cardboard box smell any worse than a 'stinking cell'? Cardboard boxes have full sanitation and hot showers, didn't you know?

Poor analogy Zeuhl.

[sp1814]

Hanging someone after they've completed their sentence?

No.

In fact, no to hanging.

[grasscarp]

Maybe Tia's father should have been more involved in her welfare before this happened.

[Zeuhl]

/poor analogy/

Err it wasn't an analogy chill - it was your comparison

Between 'privileged' prisoners and disadvantaged people outside

So what is your answer?

Will your 'disadvantaged' covet the so-called cushy life of a prisoner?

[askyourgran]

He should be hanged now, save us all the dinners and TV he'll be watching.

[hc4361]

Every ex-prisoner I have spoken to mentions the noise. Not one minute of quiet, even during the night.
Would drive me insane.

[hc4361]

askyourgran, you didn't look at my link that shows how much it costs when a prisoner is given the death penalty in America?
You didn't consider other posts that considered the fact that if the death penalty existed no suspect would ever plead guilty?

[Zeuhl]

Askyourgran

Your attitude to killing someone seems too similar to Stuart hazel's for comfort

[andres]

The death penalty should be brought back.Whether it is by hanging or lethal injection ,I don't care. Just look at how long we have kept Ian Brady alive . It must be nearly 50 years now. He even made tapes of one of his victims ,a little girl pleading to go home to her mummy. Screaming in pain as the sadistic devils, Brady and Hindley, tortured and assaulted her tiny,naked body and eventually strangling her. The courtroom was hushed for several minutes when the tapes were played . Jurors cried and grown men wept. Without a shadow of a doubt Brady killed her and he should have been hung . I don't feel vengeance or revenge just justice for the poor kids that he killed. They have had their lives 'snuffed' out why should he keep his ?Although behind bars he is still living and breathing. The sooner that the death penalty is brought back the better.

[jim360]

A number of reasons why I object to the Death Penalty:

1. Possible miscarriages of Justice.
2. Doesn't really do anything to tackle the problem of crime, not even as a deterrent.
3. To reduce the danger of point 1, need to allow the condemned plenty of chances to appeal. This drags the process out and is ultimately more expensive.
4. As was suggested elsewhere, a death penalty would discourage guilty pleas, unless there was an agreement that pleading guilty would lead to a life sentence and not a death sentence.
5. Perhaps more people would plead guilty to avoid death sentences, but they might be co-erced into doing so to avoid the risk of death if found guilty. Again, see point 1.
6. No chance of rehabilitation if the criminal is dead.

There are probably others, but these are the main ones that occur to me. I can completely understand why you would want to bring back the death penalty. But I still think it is the wrong thing to do so.

[FredPuli43]

hc, virtually no defendant pleads guilty to murder now. This one is a rare exception and he didn't plead guilty at the outset. The general rule is to run diminished responsibility wherever possible and however unlikely ( try to get home on manslaughter on grounds of provocation or the like) or to plead either accidental death or lack of intent to cause gbh or to kill. These defences may seem familiar to those who read the papers. I'll say no more!

[Meg]

I agree with askyourgran.

[askyourgran]

In cases such as this, he has admitted it causing the death of a young girl because of his depravity? I would not hesitate to have him put to death. How would you feel if someone took the life of your child to satisfy his urges. This is not America, the amount of money spent on keeping him locked up for 38 years would be saved for a start. No harm comes to him in prison exept maybe a welcoming committee. Once upon a time we used to hang people, it didn't stop the murders and the fact that they didn't always enter a guilty plea make any difference to the evidence and the sentencing. I didn't read all the posts before I posted mine and that is my thoughts on the matter.