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I would be astonished if the entire LGBT community all held the same opinions on same sex marriages.
Now that would be headline news...simply because I can't think of a single group who have 100% agreement on any given subject.
Well done to the Independent on producing this interesting article - but let's not forget the fact that the result of a large number of polls support the idea that marriage equality is supported by the vast majority of the LGBT community.
I would be astonished if the entire LGBT community all held the same opinions on same sex marriages.
Now that would be headline news...simply because I can't think of a single group who have 100% agreement on any given subject.
Well done to the Independent on producing this interesting article - but let's not forget the fact that the result of a large number of polls support the idea that marriage equality is supported by the vast majority of the LGBT community.
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I point you to this very interesting response to the article. I think it perfectly sums it up...
[i]Many of these people seem to have a very narrow idea of what it means to be gay. My two closest gay friends - one of them is a Tory (we avoid discussing politics!) who wants to get married eventually and settle down; the other is a liberal guy who has an office job and occasionally goes on dates. Neither are interested in being radical outcasts. It's fine if some people want to be outcasts but I don't see why they feel that other people who happen to have the same sexuality as them should want to be subjected to that too. They don't feel like they need to be 'accepted' by being absorbed into a heterosexual status quo. They just don't feel that their sexuality is something that should define their social life, wardrobe, places they hang out, etc, etc. Sure, they have the freedom to do that, thanks to gay rights movements but they want to live their lives, not have to feel grateful for basic human rights. Anymore than I should have to go around being 'British East Asian' all the time because I ought to be grateful people aren't as racist as they once were. It's fine if you want to pursue one aspect of your identity as a dominant part of your life. But I don't see why everyone else should want to follow suit.[i]
I point you to this very interesting response to the article. I think it perfectly sums it up...
[i]Many of these people seem to have a very narrow idea of what it means to be gay. My two closest gay friends - one of them is a Tory (we avoid discussing politics!) who wants to get married eventually and settle down; the other is a liberal guy who has an office job and occasionally goes on dates. Neither are interested in being radical outcasts. It's fine if some people want to be outcasts but I don't see why they feel that other people who happen to have the same sexuality as them should want to be subjected to that too. They don't feel like they need to be 'accepted' by being absorbed into a heterosexual status quo. They just don't feel that their sexuality is something that should define their social life, wardrobe, places they hang out, etc, etc. Sure, they have the freedom to do that, thanks to gay rights movements but they want to live their lives, not have to feel grateful for basic human rights. Anymore than I should have to go around being 'British East Asian' all the time because I ought to be grateful people aren't as racist as they once were. It's fine if you want to pursue one aspect of your identity as a dominant part of your life. But I don't see why everyone else should want to follow suit.[i]
Wiki:
LGBT is an initialism that stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender. In use since the 1990s, the term is an adaptation of the initialism LGB, which itself started replacing "gay" when in reference to the community beginning in the mid-to-late 1980s, as many felt the term "gay community" did not accurately represent all those to whom it referred. The initialism has become mainstream as a self-designation and has been adopted by the majority of sexuality and gender identity-based community centers and media in the United States and some other English-speaking countries.
The term LGBT is intended to emphasize a diversity of sexuality and gender identity-based cultures and is sometimes used to refer to anyone who is non-heterosexual or non-cisgender instead of exclusively to people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender. To recognize this inclusion, a popular variant adds the letter Q for those who identify as queer and/or are questioning their sexual identity as LGBTQ, recorded since 1996.
On the one hand, some intersex people who want to be included in LGBT groups suggest an extended initialism LGBTI (recorded since 1999. This initialism "LGBTI" is used in all parts of "The Activist's Guide" of the Yogyakarta Principles in Action. Furthermore, the initialism LGBTIH has seen use in India to encompass the hijra third gender identity and the related subculture. More recently the catch-all term "Gender and Sexual Diversity" GSD has been proposed.
I trust that settles the matter.
LGBT is an initialism that stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender. In use since the 1990s, the term is an adaptation of the initialism LGB, which itself started replacing "gay" when in reference to the community beginning in the mid-to-late 1980s, as many felt the term "gay community" did not accurately represent all those to whom it referred. The initialism has become mainstream as a self-designation and has been adopted by the majority of sexuality and gender identity-based community centers and media in the United States and some other English-speaking countries.
The term LGBT is intended to emphasize a diversity of sexuality and gender identity-based cultures and is sometimes used to refer to anyone who is non-heterosexual or non-cisgender instead of exclusively to people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender. To recognize this inclusion, a popular variant adds the letter Q for those who identify as queer and/or are questioning their sexual identity as LGBTQ, recorded since 1996.
On the one hand, some intersex people who want to be included in LGBT groups suggest an extended initialism LGBTI (recorded since 1999. This initialism "LGBTI" is used in all parts of "The Activist's Guide" of the Yogyakarta Principles in Action. Furthermore, the initialism LGBTIH has seen use in India to encompass the hijra third gender identity and the related subculture. More recently the catch-all term "Gender and Sexual Diversity" GSD has been proposed.
I trust that settles the matter.
I've sort of made this point before. A significant part of the Scene community actually wants to be different. If they wanted to be the same as everyone else, they'd buy a nice house in Surbiton, with a neat front lawn. Instead, they come and live in Brighton, where the Scene has its own identity, and it's own bars and pubs and clubs, and, err, saunas. It even pretty much has its own part of town.
The idea of becoming the same as everyone else is not appealing, because it eats into their identity.
And those of us who are not part of the Scene are a bit jealous that they have such good clubs and bars, and so Friday evenings usually start off, and sometimes finish up, in a gay bar.
Equality with the rest of the community? Darling, you can keep it!
The idea of becoming the same as everyone else is not appealing, because it eats into their identity.
And those of us who are not part of the Scene are a bit jealous that they have such good clubs and bars, and so Friday evenings usually start off, and sometimes finish up, in a gay bar.
Equality with the rest of the community? Darling, you can keep it!
JJ
Yes - that's true.
But then there's also a large number of gay men and lesbians (note - the article in the link doesn't ask any lesbians what they feel), who have been there and done that.
I note that the respondents in the article are all between 20 and 30.
It would be interesting to see a counterpoint...those gay men and lesbians in their 40s and 50s, for whom the scene is very much 'been there, done that...'
Yes - that's true.
But then there's also a large number of gay men and lesbians (note - the article in the link doesn't ask any lesbians what they feel), who have been there and done that.
I note that the respondents in the article are all between 20 and 30.
It would be interesting to see a counterpoint...those gay men and lesbians in their 40s and 50s, for whom the scene is very much 'been there, done that...'
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